CrossCuT Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 He was gay and lived with his 'partner' down at the beach. Dont do that. Dont dehumanize people just because you dont agree with their lifestyle. Thats not very 'catholic' of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It wasn't very Catholic of the Priest to break his vows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) I guess now it's now forbidden to take issue with priests who lie and break their promises to God and the Church. Edited May 16, 2014 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 But the whole point of the priesthood is that he is in persona christe. A man is a man (I think lol) and Jesus was a man. That is all it literally means, it has nothing to do with surpressing women. Men can't become consecrated virgins either because they cannot be brides of Christ; what is the big freaking deal? It's not holding women back. I can't even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 It is not dehumanizing to expect a priest to be faithful to his vocation and to Church teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 But the whole point of the priesthood is that he is in persona christe. A man is a man (I think lol) and Jesus was a man. That is all it literally means, it has nothing to do with surpressing women. Men can't become consecrated virgins either because they cannot be brides of Christ; what is the big freaking deal? It's not holding women back. I can't even. Hey, stop with all of that common sense. :) As one person put it, A women could no more act in persona Christe, than a man could be the Blessed Virgin Mary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) But the whole point of the priesthood is that he is in persona christe. A man is a man (I think lol) and Jesus was a man. That is all it literally means, it has nothing to do with surpressing women. Men can't become consecrated virgins either because they cannot be brides of Christ; what is the big freaking deal? It's not holding women back. I can't even. The biggest problem I hear about from women who want women in the priesthood has to do with the "power structure" in the Church. Only clergy have most authority, only clergy can have certain kinds of authority, and many times women are left completely out of any real discussion. It wouldn't be a problem for them if they felt their needs were being met or if they felt even listened to. So from their standpoint, the "men can't be moms or consecrated virgins" argument isn't a good comparison, because it doesn't get to the heart of the problem. Getting more women involved in the Curia in appropriate ways would really annihilate the strongest practical arguments against a male priesthood (and exploring what about masculinity allows itself for men acting in persona Christi and not women would be a strong theological argument). And as a side note, I should point out that loads of women are involved in the Church at the diocesan level, "downwards," in all sorts of positions, and they're often the majority on a parish's staff, so to say that women have no voice in the Church is 1) disingenuous and 2) belittles the worth of the groups at the "bottom" of the Church's hierarchy pyramid, something that Pope Francis cautions us against when he talks about people getting too wrapped up in "clericalism." Edited May 16, 2014 by Basilisa Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 well, would be kinda nice if we could reestablish the position of deaconess...just sayin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 well, would be kinda nice if we could reestablish the position of deaconess...just sayin' :whistle: :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) I think if people realized the type of responsibility that comes with the authority, they would think twice about being envious. The clergy have to answer on the day of Judgment for the souls that were in their charge, in the same way parents will have to answer for their children. Just think of how difficult it is to keep a house in order, and then multiply that by a couple hundred in the case of priests, thousands in the case of Bishops, and then millions and billions in the case of the Pope. Then think about the charge these men have to evangelize the world, and that they will have to answer for the souls they did not bring into the fold because of they're laziness or refusal to work with the graces God provided them. Oh, we should pray very hard for our clergy. Edited May 16, 2014 by Credo in Deum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Dont do that. Dont dehumanize people just because you dont agree with their lifestyle. Thats not very 'catholic' of you. I'm a newbie (it's official now) so I don't know it that was sarcasm or sincere. Did you mean that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 well, would be kinda nice if we could reestablish the position of deaconess...just sayin' In the current situation, it would be seen as a step towards women priests, so it would probably be harmful. Besides, the ancient deaconesses were not ordained, so the position was not really parallel to a deacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 Besides that, dioceses would have to hire full time tailors to custom fit all the deaconesses' pantsuits, and I simply do not think we can bear that kind of expense right now. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 The biggest problem I hear about from women who want women in the priesthood has to do with the "power structure" in the Church. Only clergy have most authority, only clergy can have certain kinds of authority, and many times women are left completely out of any real discussion. It wouldn't be a problem for them if they felt their needs were being met or if they felt even listened to. So from their standpoint, the "men can't be moms or consecrated virgins" argument isn't a good comparison, because it doesn't get to the heart of the problem. Getting more women involved in the Curia in appropriate ways would really annihilate the strongest practical arguments against a male priesthood (and exploring what about masculinity allows itself for men acting in persona Christi and not women would be a strong theological argument). You hit the nail on the head. There are groups whose only motivation for pushing female clergy is power. For those groups there is no concession, up to and including female clergy, that will satiate that thirst for power. In fact, any slight concession would just embolden them in their efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perigrina Posted May 16, 2014 Share Posted May 16, 2014 (edited) Besides that, dioceses would have to hire full time tailors to custom fit all the deaconesses' pantsuits, and I simply do not think we can bear that kind of expense right now. :| WOMEN IN P A N T S !! :covereyes: Edited May 16, 2014 by Perigrina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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