Winchester Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) Amended: Fair enough. I got caught up in the words that you're making part of your vocabulary. Edited May 15, 2014 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Hasan, if you really think the driving force behind the establishment's funding/ensuring access for poor women's abortions is their wish to help them avoid "traumatic experiences" then you have a level of naivete I have never seen in a person coming out of DC. Or maybe I just know what I'm talking about because I've worked in major donor fundraising in DC and know a lot of people who work and give, as major donors, in this area. Which is how I know that you are reaching. You're evidence for your claim that rich people give to Planned Parenthood, NARAL et al comes down to a correlation between access to abortion and crime rates. That relationship may well hold and it well even be causal. I'm perfectly happy to assume that it does for the sake of this argument. That does not do anything to support your claims that rich people, in some significant aggregate, give money to NARAL and Planned Parenthood because the want poor people to have abortions. [mod]Edited at Hasan's request to correct a word-BG[/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) z Edited May 15, 2014 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 You can believe that abortion is immoral without believing that people support abortion rights because they want to eliminate minority populations or poor people. Do most people who support abortion rights believe that poor people should have the same level of access to abortion services as economically privileged people? Yes. That, however, is a completely different claim than the non-sense on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 http://www.protectingblacklife.org/pp_targets/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 http://lifenews.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/LifeDynamicsRacialReport.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 (edited) have you looked at chapter 4 of freakonomics, yes or no. its light and enjoyable reading. check it out. there is no cow pie in my argument hasan. no cow pie. I know that because I just wrapped principles of nonprofit mangement at the Kennedy School. taught in the case study method, and guess what features in the cases. non profit firms have to justify their existence to funders. they need key performance indicators. something to show on the upfronts. they need to tie resources to results- for each program. for abortion providers that means showing that providing abortions to people who can't afford them improves society. for abortion access advocates that means showing that ensuring access to abortion for people who can't afford it improves society. if any of that makes you squirm, thats a good sign. NARAL incidentally sux dismally on every metric known to man and has every fiscal year for like a decade. You can smell the stink coming off that carcass a mile away. I'm pretty sure them and the YWCA must trade boad members back and forth. Except for their fundraising efficiency ratios. Those are good. Planned Parenthood on the other hand, is exceptionally well managed. Edited May 15, 2014 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 [We should] keep the doors of immigration closed to the entrance of certain aliens whose condition is known to be detrimental to the stamina of the race, such as feebleminded, idiots, morons, insane, syphilitic, epileptic, criminal, professional prostitutes, and others in this class barred by the immigration laws of 1924.[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.[We should] insure the country against future burdens of maintenance for numerous offspring as may be born of feebleminded parents, by pensioning all persons with transmissible disease who voluntarily consent to sterilization.[We should] give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.[We should] apportion farm lands and homesteads for these segregated persons where they would be taught to work under competent instructors for the period of their entire lives. - Margaret Sanger - A founding member of The Birth Control Review/Planned Parenthood, Birth Control Review (April 1932, pp. 107-108) Such parents swell the pathetic ranks of the unemployed. Feeble-mindedness perpetuates itself from the ranks of those who are blandly indifferent to their racial responsibilities. And it is largely this type of humanity we are now drawing upon to populate our world for the generations to come. In this orgy of multiplying and replenishing the earth, this type is pari passu multiplying and perpetuating those direst evils in which we must, if civilization is to survive, extirpate by the very roots.Margaret Sanger - A founding member of The Birth Control Review/Planned Parenthood, The Need for Birth Control in America quoted by Angela Franks http://www.personhoodusa.com/blog/8-outrageous-things-planned-parenthood-was-caught-doing/http://www.liveaction.org/the-planned-parenthood-racism-project/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 #Eugenics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share Posted May 16, 2014 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share Posted May 16, 2014 "Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are they who mourn, for they shall be comforted. Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are they who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure of heart, for they shall see God. Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called children of God. Blessed are they who are persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted May 16, 2014 Author Share Posted May 16, 2014 Washington D.C., May 15, 2014 / 02:02 am (CNA/EWTN News).- Pro-life advocates have drawn attention to a report showing that businessman Warren Buffett’s charitable foundation has given more than $1.2 billion to abortion providers and advocacy groups. Buffett is “ensuring the destruction of millions of children worldwide,†Kristan Hawkins, president of Students for Life of America, told the Media Research Center’s Culture and Media Institute. She characterized Buffett as the “sugar daddy of the entire pro-abortion movement.†Buffett, chairman of the Berkshire Hathaway investment company, is one of the wealthiest men in the world; his estimated wealth peaked at $62 billion in 2008. The Culture and Media Institute uncovered the details of Buffett’s abortion funding by examining tax forms for the Susan Thompson Buffett Foundation, which Warren Buffett heads. The foundation has several billion dollars in assets, and is named for his deceased first wife and was previously called the Buffett Foundation. The institute’s report, drawing on forms for the years 2001 to 2012, found that Buffett’s foundation has given over $289 million to Planned Parenthood, the largest abortion provider in the U.S. Another $211 million went to U.K.-based Marie Stopes International, $85 million to the National Abortion Federation, $29 million to the Guttmacher Institute, and $24 million to NARAL Pro-Choice America. The foundation has given over $32 million to EngenderHealth, which performs sterilizations in Vietnam. Another $23 million has gone to the Population Council, which helped begin the clinical trials to win FDA approval of mifepristone, an abortifacient drug. The foundation provided millions of dollars to Catholics for a Free Choice, now known as Catholics for Choice; the U.S. bishops' conference has said that the organization is not a Catholic organization, and promotes positions contrary to Catholic teaching. The Culture and Media Institute said that of the 545 stories about Buffet and interviews with him on ABC, CBS and NBC since 2001, only one mentioned his link to abortion funding. Lila Rose, president of the pro-life advocacy group Live Action, said the funding of abortion groups is a “huge scandal,†suggesting that Buffett’s business could be damaged if his abortion funding became better known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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