AugustineA Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 In case anyone is interested. 1Kings 18:20-40 Elijah not only refuses to pray with Baal's priests but mocks them. John 14:6 Jesus says he's the only way. Acts 14-17 Paul and Barnabas get caught up in two situations of pagan worship and explain Jesus is the only way. #206 Baltimore Catechism 3: A Catholic sins against faith by taking part in non-CAtholic worship because he thus professes belief in a religion he knows is false. (The modern take is where things start getting wordy.) Source: www.ewtn.comLink: http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmes...&number=441348 Answer by Fr. John Trigilio on 6/11/2005: Catholics MAY attend Protestant services and may sing, pray, etc. but they CANNOT and SHOULD NOT ever receive communion in a non-Catholic church. That is considered COMMUNICATIO IN SACRIS and is still forbidden by canon law (#1365). However, one can still be very devout, loyal, obedient and an orthodox Roman Catholic and at the same time be ecumenical. Attending non-Catholic prayer services is not forbidden. Receiving any sacrament or alleged sacrament in a non-Catholic church is forbidden. Catholics cannot consider a Protestant worship service as fulfilling their Sunday obligation, however, and must still attend a Catholic Mass. Only absolute necessity can a Catholic go to an Eastern Orthodox church for their Sunday obligation when there is no Catholic Church (Latin or Byzantine) in a reasonable distance. COPYRIGHT 2005 What good is evangelizing if you forget the truth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustineA Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) aw shux. I missed my chance to edit. I wanted to add that post is speaking in general to FP's comments and is not directed towards St.JPII. Although people can draw their own conclusions based on those citations concerning the Quran incident, and if they do consider also that no man or woman, Saint or saint is perfect; Jesus perfects us perfectly. Edited May 5, 2014 by AugustineA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 So when you gonna kiss the Quran publically Josh? Give it a big smooch Jesus " You have heard it said to hate your enemy, but i say to you love your enemy and do good to him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Blaze your own trail with grace from the holy sacraments, the holy mass, the holy bible, prayer,meditation and sacred tradition(which most importantly includes the very few infallible matters of faith and morals which we must believe as catholic christians, and the works of saints and popes speeches aren't necessarily sacred tradition but useful, though the catechism and sacred liturgy is.) Blaze your own trail with grace, no great saint would have it any other way for the layity. The priests are the priests, we as layity are called to be priestly but are not under holy orders so to speak, though this should not give birth to luke warmness just the opposite it should remove scruples of condemnation from the enemy and set you on fire for the LORD. All glory to GOD. Jesus iz LORD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) In case anyone is interested. 1Kings 18:20-40 Elijah not only refuses to pray with Baal's priests but mocks them. John 14:6 Jesus says he's the only way. Acts 14-17 Paul and Barnabas get caught up in two situations of pagan worship and explain Jesus is the only way. #206 Baltimore Catechism 3: A Catholic sins against faith by taking part in non-CAtholic worship because he thus professes belief in a religion he knows is false. (The modern take is where things start getting wordy.) Source: www.ewtn.comLink: http://www.ewtn.com/vexperts/showmes...&number=441348 Answer by Fr. John Trigilio on 6/11/2005: Catholics MAY attend Protestant services and may sing, pray, etc. but they CANNOT and SHOULD NOT ever receive communion in a non-Catholic church. That is considered COMMUNICATIO IN SACRIS and is still forbidden by canon law (#1365). However, one can still be very devout, loyal, obedient and an orthodox Roman Catholic and at the same time be ecumenical. Attending non-Catholic prayer services is not forbidden. Receiving any sacrament or alleged sacrament in a non-Catholic church is forbidden. Catholics cannot consider a Protestant worship service as fulfilling their Sunday obligation, however, and must still attend a Catholic Mass. Only absolute necessity can a Catholic go to an Eastern Orthodox church for their Sunday obligation when there is no Catholic Church (Latin or Byzantine) in a reasonable distance. COPYRIGHT 2005 What good is evangelizing if you forget the truth? I don't say to other religions or other non christians that God has done great things for them so to speak, the bible tells us not to do this because there success may have nothing to do with GOD, and i wouldn't actually kiss the quaran, and you must take the whole of saint pauls letters into context and some can eat and drink with pagans without scandalising there faith and some can't, liberal and conservative. But the liberal should not do as such in front of a conservative brother for it would cause scandal to his brother. So the liberal must blow off an ecumenical shin dig for a conservative brother if the conservative brother is in need of his liberal brother. Brethren first whichever wing, all others second, though of course we must be ecumenical to the other baptised believers and even friendly welcoming towards the pagans and heathens, but not at the expense of our fellow catholic brethren. And i agree with the not receiving others communion now you have posted this although i did once and didn't actually realise it is forbidden, but now i do thanks to you, thank you very much, i will not be doing that again. P.s. And on the kings thing saint paul says "men prophecy the will of GOD imperfectly, but all scripture is useful." Edited May 5, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 What heresies do you charge the Borgias with? Just saying, there have been some awful popes (of which St. JPII was not.) From Pope Julius II: "I will not live in the same rooms as the Borgias lived. He desecrated the Holy Church as none before. He usurped the papal power by the devil's aid, and I forbid under the pain of excommunication anyone to speak or think of Borgia again. His name and memory must be forgotten. It must be crossed out of every document and memorial. His reign must be obliterated. All paintings made of the Borgias or for them must be covered over with black crepe. All the tombs of the Borgias must be opened and their bodies sent back to where they belong – to Spain." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 So when you gonna kiss the Quran publically Josh? Give it a big smooch I'm more of a book of Mormon guy myself......Get us alone with some red wine and some Nelly Furtado playing there's no telling what might happen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 I'm more of a book of Mormon guy myself......Get us alone with some red wine and some Nelly Furtado playing there's no telling what might happen..... That poor book is going end up seeing your seer stones, isn't it?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 Just saying, there have been some awful popes (of which St. JPII was not.) It depends on the standard we use. Many regard JPII as the worst Pope of history not because of his personal life or because he may have been sinful, but because of the way he governed the church, some of his questionable statements, and some scandalous public actions. Alexander VI was undoubtedly a sinful and corrupt man but he remained orthodox, and so a distinction must be made between sin and questionable behavior, to put it mildly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 It depends on the standard we use. Many regard JPII as the worst Pope of history not because of his personal life or because he may have been sinful, but because of the way he governed the church, some of his questionable statements, and some scandalous public actions. Alexander VI was undoubtedly a sinful and corrupt man but he remained orthodox, and so a distinction must be made between sin and questionable behavior, to put it mildly. I'm really just trying to point out that there are ups and downs, but God promised his Church protection. We must stay with the Church, she holds the Truth and the message of salvation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 (edited) So loving one another as i have loved you is an indulgence a particular grace that comes from ecumenical dialogue and even attending there services of course without partaking of there communion, for liberals, but a conservative must love them by just praying for them and not killing or bashing them vocally or physically. Edited May 5, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 5, 2014 Author Share Posted May 5, 2014 I'm really just trying to point out that there are ups and downs, but God promised his Church protection. We must stay with the Church, she holds the Truth and the message of salvation. Yes, that is true, but we also were made aware of a great apostasy and a falling away of the hierarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Murder is a mortal sin, when did the Church justify it? Slavery is an ancient institution that according to Aristotle is based on natural law. Slaves were typically acquired through warfare when captured men were spared rather than killed or through debt paid off through service. If Aristotle was right, slavery continues up into our own time albeit in a different form. The Inquisition was a gigantic justification of murder. And Aristotle's justification of slavery based on "natural law" is a joke. When you read the section on slavery in his Politics, you do not even get the feeling that Aristotle was convinced by his own argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 Yes, that is true, but we also were made aware of a great apostasy and a falling away of the hierarchy. Tell me about this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2014 Share Posted May 5, 2014 So in your book Mortify black people being slaves was ok and not sinful ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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