Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 And to be fair I see alot of the objections and they make sense......Is a Catholic who starts attending an SSPX Church still in good standing ? Yes. A layperson incurs no penalties simply for attending their Masses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo in Deum Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Yes. A layperson incurs no penalties simply for attending their Masses. While this is true, laypersons are encouraged to first find a Mass celebrated by a priest/community that is in full communion with Rome. One great choice would be a Mass celebrated by the FSSP. :) Oh, what's this? A list of FSSP parishes you say? http://www.fssp.org/en/messes.htm#USA I love my FSSP. :muffin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 While this is true, laypersons are encouraged to first find a Mass celebrated by a priest/community that is in full communion with Rome. One great choice would be a Mass celebrated by the FSSP. :) Oh, what's this? A list of FSSP parishes you say?http://www.fssp.org/en/messes.htm#USA I love my FSSP. :muffin: I would offer the same encouragement, if for no other reason than the legal issue of faculties to hear confession. That is too important a topic to leave anything unsure. Besides that, the Fraternity priests are the best confessors I have had the pleasure of knowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 I would offer the same encouragement, if for no other reason than the legal issue of faculties to hear confession. That is too important a topic to leave anything unsure. Besides that, the Fraternity priests are the best confessors I have had the pleasure of knowing. My understanding is that there is no issue with obtaining the sacrament of confession through an SSPX priest. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXJub1bdngc[/youtube] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 (edited) My understanding is that there is no issue with obtaining the sacrament of confession through an SSPX priest. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXJub1bdngc[/youtube] That is the opinion of some. I have read some of the arguments, though I have not watched that video in particular and I intend to do so. The more widespread opinion is that, SSPX arguments notwithstanding, Society confessions are at least presumably invalid. I have read arguments which intend to show that ecclesia supplet does not come into play. I have likewise read arguments saying why it clearly does. In my opinion, the mere presence of any doubt makes it far wiser simply to be on the safe side and confess to a good priest, in whom you have confidence of his intention and proper form. Funny enough, Fr. Hesse was discussed a couple times yesterday. I have not listened to him before, but when I get a chance I will. Apparently he is considered quite extreme, though of course being extreme is not the same as always being wrong. Edited May 9, 2014 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 That is the opinion of some. I have read some of the arguments, though I have not watched that video in particular and I intend to do so. The more widespread opinion is that, SSPX arguments notwithstanding, Society confessions are at least presumably invalid. I have read arguments which intend to show that ecclesia supplet does not come into play. I have likewise read arguments saying why it clearly does. In my opinion, the mere presence of any doubt makes it far wiser simply to be on the safe side and confess to a good priest, in whom you have confidence of his intention and proper form. From the new code of canon law: Can. 144 §1. In factual or legal common error and in positive and probable doubt of law or of fact, the Church supplies executive power of governance for both the external and internal forum. Funny enough, Fr. Hesse was discussed a couple times yesterday. I have not listened to him before, but when I get a chance I will. Apparently he is considered quite extreme, though of course being extreme is not the same as always being wrong. He may be extreme and I can't say I agree with everything, but he is a solid theologian and canon lawyer and makes sense a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 From the new code of canon law:[font='Times New Roman']Can. 144 §1. In factual or legal common error and in positive and probable doubt of law or of fact, the Church supplies executive power of governance for both the external and internal forum.[/font] He may be extreme and I can't say I agree with everything, but he is a solid theologian and canon lawyer and makes sense a lot of the time. Canon law tends to require a specific skill set to properly interpret. There are arguments on both sides. I know which I want to be true, but I do not feel that I am qualified to add anything to that particular discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Canon law tends to require a specific skill set to properly interpret. There are arguments on both sides. I know which I want to be true, but I do not feel that I am qualified to add anything to that particular discussion. I agree, I'm basically going on the authority of Fr Hesse here, but God knows best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 I agree, I'm basically going on the authority of Fr Hesse here, but God knows best And as far as authorities go, though many disagree with what he says, most will admit that he is an intelligent man who makes valuable points. Just be aware that others have taken on his arguments and come to different conclusions, so those arguments should also be considered at the very least. On that note, since I just got to work and we have no customers, I will try watching the video now. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 You must have a sweet job my man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 You must have a sweet job my man Actually I really do. I started working in a knife store a few weeks back, so already right there it is something I have an interest in. I am also working to keep the website up and running, and keep it updated, and setting up an ebay store to try to get some non-local sales. Varying success, but it is more about the experience I am getting out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted May 9, 2014 Author Share Posted May 9, 2014 Kitchen knives or are we talking more of weapons and hunting gear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 9, 2014 Share Posted May 9, 2014 Kitchen knives or are we talking more of weapons and hunting gear? Both, but fewer kitchen knives, and more in the way of folding pocket knives. Just the other day I sold this beauty. It was borderline poetic how beautiful this knife was, and how it felt in the hand. Like a frakking cliche love story. Guy came in with exactly the same reaction as me. He did not even want to buy anything, just came to look at the new stock. Saw this knife, held it, was a bit put off by the $300 price tag. So he set it down. And picked it up again, and again, and again. At the end of the day he realized that he was going to regret it forever if he did not buy it right then. :P You could see in his face, it was just painful to think about walking out of the store without it. I was sad to see it go though. I probably would not have been able to justify $300 on it, but at least I could have picked it up a few times a day and felt the silky smoothness of its ball bearing pivot and carbon fiber scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 No reactions? Nobody wants to say anything about it? I am a bit surprised. Where was the passage from? I haven't read much that fleshed out implicit Baptism by desire, though it's always made sense to me that God balances justice and mercy in the judgement of our souls. One distinct memory from my days attending a Baptist congregation was reading testimonies about how the Holy Spirit spoke and moved during Holy Communion. Keep in mind they strictly believed Communion was a memorial. Yet to read how the Spirit moved powerfully in their memorial of the Last Supper, it was like reading Catholics describe receiving the Body and Blood of our Lord. While the sacrament clearly offers infinitely more in its unseen spiritual reality, the fact remains Christ is generous in every place where sinners are seeking to draw near to Him. To affirm extra-sacramental grace is not like God is cheating on us... He's doing exactly what we expect of Him, to run out beyond the fold to find those who are wandering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted May 13, 2014 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Where was the passage from? I haven't read much that fleshed out implicit Baptism by desire, though it's always made sense to me that God balances justice and mercy in the judgement of our souls. One distinct memory from my days attending a Baptist congregation was reading testimonies about how the Holy Spirit spoke and moved during Holy Communion. Keep in mind they strictly believed Communion was a memorial. Yet to read how the Spirit moved powerfully in their memorial of the Last Supper, it was like reading Catholics describe receiving the Body and Blood of our Lord. While the sacrament clearly offers infinitely more in its unseen spiritual reality, the fact remains Christ is generous in every place where sinners are seeking to draw near to Him. To affirm extra-sacramental grace is not like God is cheating on us... He's doing exactly what we expect of Him, to run out beyond the fold to find those who are wandering. You may be surprised. Care to guess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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