Vitamin Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 My black belt tends to disagree with you. I was simply joking about the unintended contradiction you made. What "unintended contradiction? That not all rights are equal? How is that a contradiction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 What "unintended contradiction? That not all rights are equal? How is that a contradiction? You said there are no absolute rights, and then pretty much said life is an absolute right. But this debate is getting boring. Let's frolic in a field together instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vitamin Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) You said there are no absolute rights, and then pretty much said life is an absolute right. But this debate is getting boring. Let's frolic in a field together instead. Well, no. I said it just ranked number one, as in it comes before all other rights. Its about as absolute as a Prime Minster's authority. You can go frolic and play now. Edited May 2, 2014 by Vitamin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 AHHHHHHHHH A SATAN STATUE THIS IS THE WORST POSSIBLE THING TO HAPPEN IN THIS COUNTRY THERE IS NO MORE ORDER RUN ABOUT PANIC ANARCHYYYYYYYYYYY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermit Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 Try the Georgia guide stones Who wrote them, RC Christian ... Then look up Rosacrutchion , that's a corruption of the spelling but the search will hit... hermit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 dude, the american form of constitutional democracy is the highest form of government, developmentally speaking, in the history of the world. It is literally a meta-cognitive machine. Designed to literally hold the law while standing outside of itself and looking at the law. Most legal systems hold law subject - the law is synonymous with themselves. the system is the law. American system holds law object - the system sits in judgment of the law. Most human beings cannot handle that kind of mental complexity. Like 6% of people can do it, and they are without exception over age 50. And yet back when people were using candlelight these weird white guys managed to erect a fully enclosed nonorganic system with meta-cognitive intelligence. It's freaking genius. this is the invention that has made America great - not the Bill of Rights or "freedom" or limited government. and its constantly under threat because like I said the vast majority of people cannot deal with that level of complexity and when they become aware of it, kick against it. I'd rather have a political system that 94% of the country can actually comprehend. And besides, no matter how ingenious or complicated it is, it's obviously not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 Try the Georgia guide stones Who wrote them, RC Christian ... Then look up Rosacrutchion , that's a corruption of the spelling but the search will hit... hermit Your profile picture is weird. Also, I thought that the 'Ducks' in it was another word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 dude, the american form of constitutional democracy is the highest form of government, developmentally speaking, in the history of the world. It is literally a meta-cognitive machine. Designed to literally hold the law while standing outside of itself and looking at the law. Most legal systems hold law subject - the law is synonymous with themselves. the system is the law. American system holds law object - the system sits in judgment of the law. Most human beings cannot handle that kind of mental complexity. Like 6% of people can do it, and they are without exception over age 50. And yet back when people were using candlelight these weird white guys managed to erect a fully enclosed nonorganic system with meta-cognitive intelligence. It's freaking genius. this is the invention that has made America great - not the Bill of Rights or "freedom" or limited government. and its constantly under threat because like I said the vast majority of people cannot deal with that level of complexity and when they become aware of it, kick against it. It is absolutely not 'literally' a 'meta-cognitive machine.' I honestly tried to break down the different components to your post to interrogate them but I found myself unable to because I found it almost totally incoherent. Maybe that's because I have not reached the stage of life where I have the 'mental complexity' to understand how the American form of constitutional democracy is 'literally' a 'meta-cognative machine' but I doubt it. Before turning to Political Science most of my college experience was spent dealing with the nexus of mathematical philosophy and analytic philosophy that deals with mathematical-logic, meta-mathmatics, and the post-Turing debates about what it is for a machine to 'think.' So, while I'm far from an expert I do understand enough about those subject matters to know that anybody claiming a government to be a 'meta-cognative machine' is just bull-shitting. Ultimately, I think that you were trying to take a pretty straightforward argument for Constitutional Liberalism and trying to turn it into a much more opaque and complex claim, but I'm really not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 2, 2014 Author Share Posted May 2, 2014 This is why friends don't let friends read David Brooks columns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted May 2, 2014 Share Posted May 2, 2014 [/quote] You must get a lot of dates with that pick up line. heh heh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 It is absolutely not 'literally' a 'meta-cognitive machine.' I honestly tried to break down the different components to your post to interrogate them but I found myself unable to because I found it almost totally incoherent. Maybe that's because I have not reached the stage of life where I have the 'mental complexity' to understand how the American form of constitutional democracy is 'literally' a 'meta-cognative machine' but I doubt it. Before turning to Political Science most of my college experience was spent dealing with the nexus of mathematical philosophy and analytic philosophy that deals with mathematical-logic, meta-mathmatics, and the post-Turing debates about what it is for a machine to 'think.' So, while I'm far from an expert I do understand enough about those subject matters to know that anybody claiming a government to be a 'meta-cognative machine' is just bull-pooing. Ultimately, I think that you were trying to take a pretty straightforward argument for Constitutional Liberalism and trying to turn it into a much more opaque and complex claim, but I'm really not sure. Given your age and behavior pattern you are probably at stage 3 level of complexity. That's where most people end their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 Given your age and behavior pattern you are probably at stage 3 level of complexity. That's where most people end their lives. That may well be the case. However that does not make your claim that the American government is a 'meta-cognative machine' any more coherent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 So I'm just gonna come out and say it: I'm not comfortable with it at all. I don't live in OK so it's less of my concern, but if it happened in my state or hometown I'd be very unhappy. I'm also not all that comfortable with putting up the ten commandments in a public place like that. So at least I have some shred of ideological consistency? I've always had a hard time with Satanists. It's hard for me to not see them as some kind of enemy or nemesis, even if my religion insists I love my enemies. (Many forms of) Satanism is disgusting and vile and stands for pretty much the opposite of Christianity. It's hard for me to tolerate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted May 3, 2014 Author Share Posted May 3, 2014 (edited) I usually enjoy reading your posts and I don't mean to be a jerk since I do like and respect you a lot as an individual. However I find the seeming contempt for the intellectual capacities of most people kind of unsavory when it's accompanied by a seeming lack of any substantive understanding of the jargon being thrown around to justify the 'upwards of 90% of the country lacks the intellectual capacity to get how amesome the system they live in is' thesis. The US Government is not a meta-cognative machine. That's just intentionally obscure jargon that serves no purpose other than making some people, particularly people who are lower on the education scale, to think that they really are too dumb to get how amesome the system they live in is. What exactly is your argument? Why does this supposed meta-cognition make the system the most developmentally advanced in the world? Why is it optimal? Edited May 3, 2014 by Hasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted May 3, 2014 Share Posted May 3, 2014 (edited) At what level do people finally learn to use the term 'literally' properly? Edited May 3, 2014 by Winchester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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