Satanic Monument In Oklahoma's Statehouse

[PhuturePriest]

!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Again, then why dont you support homosexual unions or secular marriage?

 

My mind is confused. 

 

So in answer to your question, I have no opinion on the subject other than it is immoral and detrimental to the soul. If I say I approve of homosexual unions (I wouldn't of secular marriage), than I'm approving the legalization of something that leads people away from God, and I can't in good conscience do that. But if I say I'm for things like DOMA, than I'm going against the freedom of religion, as I too have questioned "What if their religions says it's a good thing?". This system doesn't work, and it can't work.

 

#MonarchyForTheWin

[PhuturePriest]

Nice deflect. I wasnt asking about the system, i was asking what you thought about extending the idea of freedom of religious to homosexuals, ie, not forcing YOUR religious ideals onto them.

 

If you weren't so quick to jump to conclusions, you would have waited for my second post.

[PhuturePriest]

Nice deflect. I wasnt asking about the system, i was asking what you thought about extending the idea of freedom of religious to homosexuals, ie, not forcing YOUR religious ideals onto them.

 

Was my continued answer not satisfactory to you?

 

So in answer to your question, I have no opinion on the subject other than it is immoral and detrimental to the soul. If I say I approve of homosexual unions (I wouldn't of secular marriage), than I'm approving the legalization of something that leads people away from God, and I can't in good conscience do that. But if I say I'm for things like DOMA, than I'm going against the freedom of religion, as I too have questioned "What if their religions says it's a good thing?". This system doesn't work, and it can't work.

 

#MonarchyForTheWin

[CrossCuT]

Dude, how was I suppose to know you were posting something else? Gimme two seconds to refresh the page. Day-um.

Edited May 2, 2014 by CrossCuT

[Vitamin]

So in answer to your question, I have no opinion on the subject other than it is immoral and detrimental to the soul. If I say I approve of homosexual unions (I wouldn't of secular marriage), than I'm approving the legalization of something that leads people away from God, and I can't in good conscience do that. But if I say I'm for things like DOMA, than I'm going against the freedom of religion, as I too have questioned "What if their religions says it's a good thing?". This system doesn't work, and it can't work.

#MonarchyForTheWin

So ultimately the Constitution fails because it doesn't let me force my religious views down people's throats?

[CrossCuT]

So in answer to your question, I have no opinion on the subject other than it is immoral and detrimental to the soul. If I say I approve of homosexual unions (I wouldn't of secular marriage), than I'm approving the legalization of something that leads people away from God, and I can't in good conscience do that. But if I say I'm for things like DOMA, than I'm going against the freedom of religion, as I too have questioned "What if their religions says it's a good thing?". This system doesn't work, and it can't work.

 

#MonarchyForTheWin

 

But isnt allowing a satanic statue kinda the same thing? You are allowing for people to see that statue and be influenced by it which might lead them to become satanics themselves...isnt that bad too?

[josephine]

as far as I understand, this is the case:

1) In America, there is a separation of State and Church/religion

2) some christian managed to get a very religious "statue" in the frontyard of a government building.

normaly this wouldn't be allowed, but there is this kind of loophole: it's a donation, so they can keep it.

 

so, some angry atheists got together to make a plan to irritate/upset christians and they decided that a statue of satan would do the trick. similar idea to the flying spaghetti monster church.
 

i personaly dont think this is dangerous, as a statue is just that: a statue. it possesses no powers.

and i don't think people are suddenly going to convert to satanism if they see a statue of satan.

just like they aren't going to convert to the church by seeing a statue of Jesus.

[Ice_nine]

I thought this was about a Satanic statue in an Oklahoma steakhouse.

 

I'm less interested now.

[BG45]

I must admit, I'm somewhat jealous of that proof of concept model and would like to see a totally kick-butt version of St. Michael the Archangel now with his foot on Satan's throat, sword lifted high, and protecting two kids in his wings (those kids, if the statue were to be made to troll this one).  

[PhuturePriest]

So ultimately the Constitution fails because it doesn't let me force my religious views down people's throats?

 

It fails because it contradicts itself. You have the right to bear arms, except for this gun, this gun, and this gun. You have the freedom of religion, but you're not allowed to exercise it if it involves things that disagree with morality of the majority, i.e. my example with human sacrifice during Black Masses. Even if the people being sacrificed were willing, the government would stop it. Why? Doesn't that go against freedom of religion? Aren't you imposing your religious beliefs on them and telling them they can't have religious services?

[Vitamin]

It fails because it contradicts itself. You have the right to bear arms, except for this gun, this gun, and this gun. You have the freedom of religion, but you're not allowed to exercise it if it involves things that disagree with morality of the majority, i.e. my example with human sacrifice during Black Masses. Even if the people being sacrificed were willing, the government would stop it. Why? Doesn't that go against freedom of religion? Aren't you imposing your religious beliefs on them and telling them they can't have religious services?

Actually no. What your obviously lacking education has failed to teach you is rights do not exist as advertisements, complete with money back gaurentees. They're self evivdent. It is self evident that I have the right to worship as I see fit, but it is also self evivdent that were my worship service to include human sacrifice, that would violate anothers right to life. No individual right is absolute, although life ranks at the top of the list.

[PhuturePriest]

Actually no. What your obviously lacking education has failed to teach you is rights do not exist as advertisements, complete with money back gaurentees I get to decide what is and isn't moral. They're self evivdent to me, and thus correct. It is self evident that I have the right to worship as I see fit, but it is also self evivdent that were my worship service to include human sacrifice, that would violate anothers right to life nobody else does. No individual right is absolute, although life ranks at the top of the list except the right to life. So I guess technically you could say there are absolute individual rights. Except there aren't at the same time. It's complicated.

 

Fixed it for you. I think I like the editing I did with the last few lines the most.
 

[Lilllabettt]

dude, the american form of constitutional democracy is the highest form of government, developmentally speaking, in the history of the world.  It is literally a meta-cognitive machine. Designed to literally hold the law while standing outside of itself and looking at the law. Most legal systems hold law subject - the law is synonymous with themselves. the system is the law. American system holds law object - the system sits in judgment of the law. Most human beings cannot handle that kind of mental complexity. Like 6% of people can do it, and they are without exception over age 50.  And yet back when people were using candlelight these weird white guys managed to erect a fully enclosed nonorganic system with meta-cognitive intelligence. It's freaking genius.  

 

this is the invention that has made America great - not the Bill of Rights or "freedom" or limited government. and its constantly under threat because like I said the vast majority of people cannot deal with that level of complexity and when they become aware of it, kick against it. 

[Vitamin]

FP, I take it since you believe the right to life is absolute you don't believe in self defense?

[PhuturePriest]

FP, I take it since you believe the right to life is absolute you don't believe in self defense?

 

My black belt tends to disagree with you. I was simply joking about the unintended contradiction you made.