Let's Talk About Modesty For The Guys.

[PhuturePriest]

haha.. Priests really do have the coolest clothes of the age. Funny, I was just saying last night I would consider going to seminary but I simply don't have the speaking skills or like being at the centre of attention. Like.. If you took St. Joseph's best lines and mixed with with Moses' public speaking skills, you might get close. 

 

There are many introverted priests. I know a bishop who told me personally that he's introverted and hates public speaking, but that is his calling, so God gives him the necessary graces to do it. Don't let things like that get in the way of a possible vocation. People like Saint John Vianney and Saint Joseph of Cupertino should never have been able to survive the studies at seminary, but they did simply because God wanted them to. God doesn't call the equipped -- He equips the called.

 

Also, seminaries have public speaking classes.

Edited April 22, 2014 by FuturePriest387

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

The holy bible says " a man whom prays with his head covered dishonours his head." My head is in need of dishonouring but i have been forbade by a few priests from wearing my hoodie or hat in holy mass.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 Yes i have asked 3 different priests not out of desiring my hoped response just out of curiosity and curiosity has killed this cat a few times. Unsure what the reason is though, i thought it was just tradition that was outside sacred tradition and holy scripture which would make it a custom and not a vat stat official so to speak, turns out i'm wrong, the priests led me toward that it's more than just a wolf that has crept in to church in sheeps clothing. But than i still wan't proof but submit to the authority of the 3 priests i asked, and i do say led me to believe they weren't so zealous in there replies which hinted to me that it may indeed not be a vat stat and if so where does it come from? The jews wear those skull caps unsure if they do in the temple. I don't know, i'm utterly confused and going on humble submission, seems murky.

 

All glory to GOD.

Edited April 22, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Benedictus]

I think it's a custom that's held out. Lay men are told to remove headcoverings. Although Jews, Sikhs, and others can enter the church and not be challenged. True, this is pragmatic and hospitality but a headcovering is, regardless of who wears it, still a headcovering. Clergy can wear head coverings, although not for the whole mass. It seems odd that if Jewish men and women can cover, or have to cover, then why was this dropped or prohibited for Christian men in the early church? Maybe to distance themselves in terms of identity and culture? The growth and influence of pagan traditions (Greek and Roman?). If men are supposed to follow a scripture that prohibits headcoverings then why aren't women under the same obligation to wear them ,based on similar scriptures? Seems like double standards. If it's a cultural thing thats optional for women then why isn't it a cultural option or choice for men?

[BigJon16]

 

 

Also, seminaries have public speaking classes.

 

 

Which can actually be fun sometimes, but other times are a pain in the neck. 

[AugustineA]

There are many introverted priests. I know a bishop who told me personally that he's introverted and hates public speaking, but that is his calling, so God gives him the necessary graces to do it. Don't let things like that get in the way of a possible vocation. People like Saint John Vianney and Saint Joseph of Cupertino should never have been able to survive the studies at seminary, but they did simply because God wanted them to. God doesn't call the equipped -- He equips the called.

 

Also, seminaries have public speaking classes.

 

I really don't know that I'm cut from the right fabric, so I doubt I'm being called. But it would be cool. :)

 

The holy bible says " a man whom prays with his head covered dishonours his head." My head is in need of dishonouring but i have been forbade by a few priests from wearing my hoodie or hat in holy mass.

 

When St. Paul writes that men should not cover there heads in 1 Corinthians 11, he is talking about the pagan temple priests there who wore long head coverings. In modern times, baseball caps are not pagan religious articles, but it is a sign of respect to remove them. Jews wear the kippot simply to remind them of God just as some traditional priests have the tonsure (specific lack of covering) or various headcoverings for the same reason, but are not the same as the pagan priests in either their form or function.

 

Hope that helps. :) 

[PhuturePriest]

I really don't know that I'm cut from the right fabric, so I doubt I'm being called. But it would be cool. :)

 

How do you know if you don't contact a vocations director and have a meeting? Don't put the cart before the horse.
 

[WillT]

How do you know if you don't contact a vocations director and have a meeting? Don't put the cart before the horse.

What if you're going in reverse?

[PhuturePriest]

What if you're going in reverse?

 

That's generally not recommended.

[Benedictus]

I really don't know that I'm cut from the right fabric, so I doubt I'm being called. But it would be cool. :)

 

 

When St. Paul writes that men should not cover there heads in 1 Corinthians 11, he is talking about the pagan temple priests there who wore long head coverings. In modern times, baseball caps are not pagan religious articles, but it is a sign of respect to remove them. Jews wear the kippot simply to remind them of God just as some traditional priests have the tonsure (specific lack of covering) or various headcoverings for the same reason, but are not the same as the pagan priests in either their form or function.

 

Says who? What's going to happen if a man wears a bandana or hat and doesn't think it necessary to remove it for mass? Sure, they maybe asked to remove it, but on what basis and authority?

[AugustineA]

Says who? What's going to happen if a man wears a bandana or hat and doesn't think it necessary to remove it for mass? Sure, they maybe asked to remove it, but on what basis and authority?

 

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Says who to what.. that you should not wear hats in church? It's just part of Western culture. If you don't dig it, meh. Wear your hat in church, but unless you're a bishop or woman you're probably gonna get strange looks. 

[Benedictus]

I highlighted your text but you guessed right anyhow. I'll give it a go at the Cathedral -  bandana first :french: People get strange looks for kneeling or receiving communion on the tongue from some people as well. Maybe wearing a bit of cloth on my head will spice things up for such people.

Edited April 24, 2014 by Benedictus

[truthfinder]

The things with hats is that for men, hats are symbols of authority - which is why priests (may) wear them at certain points of the Mass.  Men would doff their hats for women and for dignitaries as a sign of respect.  For a man to not take his hat off in church indicates his pride (personal and even cultural).   For women, hats have the notion of humility from Corinthians (although I understand some women wear headcoverings to gain attention, etc, but I'm talking in ideal forms.)

 

Story: I knew a priest, who was in no way traditional, who just about charged out of the sacristy make someone remove their hat until he realized it was a woman, and then thought nothing of it (it was a cowboy hat, which was strange for anyone to wear where we were.) 

[Benedictus]

The things with hats is that for men, hats are symbols of authority - which is why priests (may) wear them at certain points of the Mass.  Men would doff their hats for women and for dignitaries as a sign of respect.  For a man to not take his hat off in church indicates his pride (personal and even cultural).   For women, hats have the notion of humility from Corinthians (although I understand some women wear headcoverings to gain attention, etc, but I'm talking in ideal forms.)

 

Story: I knew a priest, who was in no way traditional, who just about charged out of the sacristy make someone remove their hat until he realized it was a woman, and then thought nothing of it (it was a cowboy hat, which was strange for anyone to wear where we were.) 

 

 I think you're right Truthfinder. I'm sure like 100 years ago hats had that significance. But I'm not sure that holds much weight these days. Most men I know find it annoying or don't see why they should remove their hat (but do it anyway). It seems the goalposts moved on humility for women regarding headwear during services but the church still doesn't like rival authority of men in hats, if we compare those head covering notions with current practice. It's interesting that women's head covering was regulated by canon law, but the requirement for lay men not to cover was never stipulated (Not as far as I can find out anyway).
My questioning of this practice has grown out of seeing bad situations, judgemental behaviour or inconsistency (I'm not just being awkward, honest) -  first I've seen a woman asking a man to remove his hat (she wasn't covered herself) when, we later found out,  he was undergoing chemo treatment. His daughter left the church with him, not impressed by the incident I might add,  rather than undergo the indignity of sitting through the mass. It was clear some people probably would judge him sitting there, which I think is wrong. Secondly, the church often allows non catholics and tourists to walk around the church or attend services,  with head coverings (religious or otherwise), but Catholic worshippers in the same space feel pressured to remove them. Thirdly, I don't see why it matters anymore and why it shouldn't be optional. Jesus probably covered his head, so it seems odd to me for anyone to have a negative vexation about it.  When I've attended ecumenical Jewish services the men even wear black top hats!  Maybe I'm just having a rebellious moment, mea culpa :paperbag:

Edited April 25, 2014 by Benedictus

[ChristinaTherese]

I'd think about why you wanted to wear something on your head at Mass before you did it. Because just wanting to break social norms isn't a very good reason, I think. Is there some sort of positive reason you have? (Of course, I grew up not allowed to wear hats indoors, and it felt a bit weird even to have a bandanna or a veil on inside at first. Now I'm used to it, but I still won't wear hats indoors except to try them on or for practicality because I'm about to go outside.) But because it is so ingrained in culture, and looks disrespectful, I would think about why you want to wear a hat to Mass.