Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 7 2004, 06:44 PM'] BUSH IS AWESOME if he's elected again and gets to get some more cool stuff done, he should be ranked up with George Washington and Abraham Lincoln [/quote] I would have said Washington (though we didn't listen to him if we did we wouldn't have pol. parties or NATO or the UN or anything) and Ike. Abe was well he wasn't the best really. I mean he gots us through the Civil War and all but he suspened a ton of civil rights and other stuff. Washington and Ike are better. Esp bc Ike warned us about the Milatry Industrail Complex. (ie. Halabarton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 sometimes civil rights need to be suspended. first comes the right to life. then the right to liberty. then the right to the persuit of happiness. if life is threatened, liberty may be suspended for the sake of life. if liberty is threatened, the persuit of happiness may be suspended for the sake of liberty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 ANd just a question. I am kinda curious. I liked Clinton. I think he was a good pres. so I may be blind sighted here but I want to know. What made the Clintion pres bad policywise? I mean I can see disliking them because of the whole sex thing. But that wasn't a policy. I really can't think of any real bad things. Plus he supported and signed Federal Defenseive MArraige act. So I don't know the isse with him. Can someone please tell me. It doesn't look like anyone has posted it yet but 10 voted so I ask. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 7 2004, 10:01 PM'] sometimes civil rights need to be suspended. first comes the right to life. then the right to liberty. then the right to the persuit of happiness. if life is threatened, liberty may be suspended for the sake of life. if liberty is threatened, the persuit of happiness may be suspended for the sake of liberty. [/quote] Factoid: You know Jefferson almost wrote "Life Liberty, and property?" Yes and those words were pened by Jefferson. Jefferson would have had a FIT if his pres suspened civil rights. Look up the Alien and Sedation Acts and the VA and KY protest (I think). Jefferson favored state rights. Compact theory of goverment. During the Civil war he would have fought for the south. But moreover, he never thought one should be over ruled by another. "Endowed by a creator cenrtain inalienable rights, life, liberty, and the purisit of happyness." The BP def of inalienable is un-take-awayable. Under no means can one be suspened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 VA res (one writen by Jefferson and Madison) of 1798 is avabilable online at [url="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/virres.htm"]http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/virres.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote]sometimes civil rights need to be suspended.[/quote] well.. they don't apply in cases where they infringe on others rights. didn't he suspend some rights for questionable reasons? and i also liked clinton. he was a smooth talker and he certainly made canada weak in the knees. i'm not sure if hes the best political guy though... or moral... hes just a 'nice' guy if you know what i mean... came across as someone i'd like to play golf with on sunday afternoons anyways, its a shame dubyas the head republican. couldnt they swap him with a better pro-lifer that doesnt seem to rub so many people the wrong way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 7 2004, 05:44 PM'] BUSH IS AWESOME if he's elected again and gets to get some more cool stuff done, he should be ranked up with George Washington and Abraham Lincoln [/quote] agreed! [quote]first comes the right to life. then the right to liberty. then the right to the persuit of happiness.[/quote] all i can say is.....[b]WORD![/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Okay Flowery and Al, I love you both. But as a US History nerd I am saddened by your either refusal to see Jefferson as Jefferson or lack of knowedlge. Jefferson would have never meant that. And what is life without liberaty, without happyness. God given, not state controled (according to TJ) rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Jun 7 2004, 09:54 PM'] Okay Flowery and Al, I love you both. But as a US History nerd I am saddened by your either refusal to see Jefferson as Jefferson or lack of knowedlge. Jefferson would have never meant that. And what is life without liberaty, without happyness. God given, not state controled (according to TJ) rights. [/quote] what is life if you cannot be born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Jefferson wasn't talking about abortion in the DoI. He was talking about life. Rember he didn't have Roe v. Wade to deal with. But life without being born isn't any better than life in a box. So yes useing the translation of life it is okay. But, to my mind, the life Al refered to was the life of Jefferson. Of life and limb. Risk to the phycial harm of people after brith by hostile means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 today, our country demands happiness at the expense of someone's life (i.e abortion and euthnasia and much more of this sort, and has become disorted and abused since then..... like the Pope said, "Rights are at times reduced to self-centered demands: the growth of prostitution and pornography in the name of adult choice, the acceptance of abortion in the name of women's rights, the approval of same sex unions in the name of homosexual rights" and.... "Ambiguous moral positions, the distortion of reason by particular interest groups ... are just some examples of a perspective of life which fails to seek truth itself and then abandons the search for the ultimate goal and meaning of human existence,"" ^ this is what its filled of today......which makes me glad for our current president.... for our "American society is in danger of surrendering to a "soulless vision of life." thats why i agreed with Al. he made perfect sense. that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I have an intense dislike for Bush... however... [quote]first comes the right to life. then the right to liberty. then the right to the persuit of happiness.[/quote] I AGREE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 oh and iacobus i love you too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Like my msn name says right now "Its a Shame that a child must die so you can live the way you want" -Mother Teresa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 [quote]What made the Clintion pres bad policywise? I mean I can see disliking them because of the whole sex thing. But that wasn't a policy. I really can't think of any real bad things. Plus he supported and signed Federal Defenseive MArraige act. So I don't know the isse with him. Can someone please tell me. It doesn't look like anyone has posted it yet but 10 voted so I ask.[/quote] I didn't vote for Clinton on this poll... hmm in fact I haven't actually voted in this poll. But one glaringly bad thing Clinton did was veto the ban on partial birth abortion that was passed by congress. Personally, I think President Kennedy is overrated. But he was the most young, charismatic president in history, and he died young. That's why he is popular to this day and viewed in a positive light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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