How Is The Vatican Rooting Out Sodomy In The Seminaries?

[PhuturePriest]

Once, in middle school, I told a slightly bizarre lie to one of my friends, just off hand and spur of the moment, for no reason other than to make interesting conversation.

My friend didn't say anything, but I saw a momentary flash of disbelief cross her face.

10 years later I randomly ran into her again at the local grocery store and somehow managed to naturally work in information that referenced my earlier lie. Thus establishing that I must have been telling the truth, cuz what kind of crazy psycho remembers a minor lie from 10 years ago well enough to effectively fill in background for it.

Later she facebooked me to say that "i know i never told you this, but I didn't believe you that time you told me about x, i'm sorry."

 

basically the world is lucky imma Christian, else I would burn it to the ground.

 

Oh, I was the master of lies when I was a kid/young teen. I would tell people so many lies, but the thing is, I'm one of those people that for some reason others just naturally trust, so they always believed me. I totally made up a person when I was 13, told my friend I was dating her, and then I told her all these stories about me and this made-up person, each becoming more ridiculous than the last. I remember telling her a story of how me and my "girlfriend" were at the park, and a large savage dog attacked her, so I jumped in and came to her rescue, gallantly sacrificing myself and getting bitten terribly to save her.

 

I used to be such a terrible person. :P

Edited April 1, 2014 by FuturePriest387

[Fidei Defensor]

The mark of a good liar is the ability to make others think you are a poor liar.

[chrysostom]

See #18. 

 

Ok, thanks - I missed it.

 

 

And reg. your supposition that my shedding light on this evil equates to stating all those called to a vocation should quit: Non sequitur. 

I do believe however exposing the evil will bring much fruit to the Church:

1) rid the wolves

2) attract more straight men

= likely reformation and renewal in Church. 

 

E

 

Look, I don't think we're all that far apart.  That said, I find it odd that you "straight men" to "wolves" without qualification, as if SSA men were all or most likely to be wolves.  Maybe it's just something getting lost in communication, though.  Miscommunication has already happened on this thread and the last thread!

[Eliakim]

The Church is the instrument through which Christ speaks. The Church can never contradict Christ, and thus unwavering loyalty to the Church is unwavering loyalty to Christ. To say that you shouldn't have unwavering loyalty to it is like saying you shouldn't have unwavering loyalty to the Body of Christ.

 

Go back and read it again.  A LAACC would support any bad teaching/promulgation.  Yes these do occur.  I don't have time to get into non-infallible errors and bad teachings in this thread.  Don't be a LAACC.  Be a Christian Catholic.  This will help you stand up to and ultimately conquer the wolves in the hierarchy if you ever become a priest. 

 

E

[Benedictus]

 I agree that any destructive actions need to be addressed very early on, but there also needs to be some realism and mercy. No one becomes free of sin on entry to a seminary! It's whether the person can make progress or not in terms of what is expected of them, and whether the person submits to their superiors on correcting any faults.

I've visited seminaries and have spoken to a fair few seminarians, and I know some fairly well. None have highlighted sodomy or predator type behavior as a problem in their seminary. The formation they get on various aspects, human and otherwise, is very good these days. Psychological assessment and testing prior to approval also helps highlight people who may have problems with certain behaviors or problems, so these can be addressed or suitability questioned. This process is far more detailed than it was ten or fifteen years ago;  even more so when looking back thirty, forty or more years ago.

I'd personally caution anyone who seemed obsessed about 'rooting out' something though, especially if this is based on gossip or suspicion and little else. It can end up being like a witch hunt and this isn't particularly helpful. If anyone has a problem at seminary (addiction, sexual or other) I'd expect them to be dealt with in charity, even if that means offering them support if they end up leaving or being dismissed on lack of compatibility. These are human beings, lets remember that also.

p.s The church needs to handle and process effectively those it trains but this isn't just a Catholic issue. I don't think it helps to phrase it in those terms either.

 

[Eliakim]

Ok, thanks - I missed it.

 

 

Look, I don't think we're all that far apart.  That said, I find it odd that you "straight men" to "wolves" without qualification, as if SSA men were all or most likely to be wolves.  Maybe it's just something getting lost in communication, though.  Miscommunication has already happened on this thread and the last thread!

 

 People know what wolves are: clerical gay lobby/those that wink at/practice evil. Not those struggling with homosexual tendencies (though a seminary is no place for these men). Only the ignorant, naieve or wolves themselves pretend the Church is not under attack by sodomite subculture. 

Edited April 1, 2014 by Eliakim

[Eliakim]

Catholic article to help those with the homosexual disorder:

 

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/resources/life-and-family/homosexuality/healing-of-homosexual-attractions/

 

And from a medical standpoint, exposing the lie that homosexuals are "born that way":

 

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/homohope.HTM

 

It's good to see some solid Catholic groups fighting the wolves that would have the ignorant believe homosexuality is completely genetic and that to point out the opposite and help them out of the disorder is "discrimination/prejudice...etc". 

 

E

[arfink]

 People know what wolves are: clerical gay lobby/those that wink at/practice evil. Not those struggling with homosexual tendencies (though a seminary is no place for these men). Only the ignorant, naieve or wolves themselves pretend the Church is not under attack by sodomite subculture. 

 

Without further actual evidence I think I'm going to join in the voices asking you to stop bringing this topic up. At this point you're bordering on calumny.

[Winchester]

You don't like boobs and your threads seem preoccupied with other people engaging in man love.

 

 

[CrossCuT]

http://www.ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/homohope.HTM

 

It's good to see some solid Catholic groups fighting the wolves that would have the ignorant believe homosexuality is completely genetic and that to point out the opposite and help them out of the disorder is "discrimination/prejudice...etc". 

 

E

Very outdated article mostly from the perspective that the newest source they use is already 14 years old. 

I understand you have a lot of personal problems rooted in this subject, but we all need to be objective when we start throwing science into the equation.

This is an extremely biased article with super old sources...a majority from the 60-80s and even a couple in the 50s. Not a good way to support your argument.

[Eliakim]

Very outdated article mostly from the perspective that the newest source they use is already 14 years old. 

I understand you have a lot of personal problems rooted in this subject, but we all need to be objective when we start throwing science into the equation.

This is an extremely biased article with super old sources...a majority from the 60-80s and even a couple in the 50s. Not a good way to support your argument.

 

Do you not want people knowing that someone who thinks he is a homosexual can successfully change? 

[CrossCuT]

Do you not want people knowing that someone who thinks he is a homosexual can successfully change? 

 

I want people to understand what homosexuality is. 

I want people to treat homosexuals with dignity and love.

[Eliakim]

I want people to understand what homosexuality is. 

I want people to treat homosexuals with dignity and love.

 

Not just "homosexuals" but all men and women should be treated with dignity and love.  But it doesn't stop there.  Christ also tells the sinner to "go and sin no more."  Part of loving someone is helping them turn away from sin. 

 

So back to your first sentence/my question, do you think homosexuality can be extracted from an individual to the extent that the person no longer craves it, and instead prefers the opposite sex? 

[CrossCuT]

Not just "homosexuals" but all men and women should be treated with dignity and love.  But it doesn't stop there.  Christ also tells the sinner to "go and sin no more."  Part of loving someone is helping them turn away from sin. 

 

So back to your first sentence/my question, do you think homosexuality can be extracted from an individual to the extent that the person no longer craves it, and instead prefers the opposite sex? 

 

I think youre approaching the whole subject wrong. You need to be very careful about an individuals mental health and stability before subjecting them to some sort of treatment to make them heterosexual. Studies are supporting a genetic basis to homosexuality which would suggest it cannot be undone or the the people can be "cured".

[AugustineA]

edit: nvm. Just read yo' catechisms yall. 

Edited April 7, 2014 by AugustineA