add Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 I am still not convinced that any one would honestly right out the gate choose an honest and kind person who is poor, has a ton of problems in their life for what ever reason, and then pass up the superficial stable person who is only good on the surface. Superficialness will get you nowhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) Does marriage matter? It is important because the marital union of one man and one woman is the God-authored institution through which children are born and families, which are the "original cell of social life", are built and nourished. The "authority, stability, and life of relationships within the family constitute the foundations for freedom, security, and fraternity within society". Marriage is not only needed, it is integral to the future health of humanity. No marriage between man and woman equals no stable atmosphere in which children are born and families are nourished. The result is the collapse of society, as we know it. Edited June 8, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Superficialness will get you nowhere who said it would ? I am saying more often than not, the shiny and good looking superficial person is chosen before the beat up tried an true, honest person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) who said it would ? I am saying more often than not, the shiny and good looking superficial person is chosen before the beat up tried an true, honest person. you kind of are. super b. what are you saying if not that? PS: go for the Gold http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD6D72s8VUI Edited June 8, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 Does marriage matter? It is important because the marital union of one man and one woman is the God-authored institution through which children are born and families, which are the "original cell of social life", are built and nourished. The "authority, stability, and life of relationships within the family constitute the foundations for freedom, security, and fraternity within society". Marriage is not only needed, it is integral to the future health of humanity. No marriage between man and woman equals no stable atmosphere in which children are born and families are nourished. The result is the collapse of society, as we know it. Society started on a downward spiral starting back in the 60s and it had nothing to do with marriage , marriage isn't going to make society any better any time soon. And exactly what is the measuring of when a society has collapsed ? When we start seeing too much violence and sex on tv, when governments use their agencies that are in theory to protect the population instead are being used to monitor it ? Freedom, security, and fraternity are totally separate from marriage in that it can be obtained by any single person with in a community that develops solid and good relationships with others, and it can be seen even in the Church itself, plenty of lay people find all of that joining a parish and are single. Marriage is simply an option in life not a demand or a mandate that it take place, if it were I would expect its listing of sacramental importance to be at the top of the list, the same for anointing of the sick, it's an option not mandatory. As for children ( there probably are some that are developing real problems from having homosexual parents but even if there is we wouldn't know because of how the media kills off anything they don't like ) even though homosexuals are adopting children, there are still no long term studies and probably will never be any that are reliable in respect to how children report their lives from being raised when comparing the two, and it wouldn't matter even if homosexuals were not destroying the lives of the children they raised, nor would it matter if they were not destroying the sanctity of marriage because all that would happen is the religious community screaming blasphemy and the down fall of society as we know it. It would be comparable to debating if slavery and allowing women and blacks the ability to vote would in turn have a negative impact on our country, except the loop hole to that argument is that voting at least has no baring on religion especially in one that is a monarchy . More over if one wants to start criticizing how homosexuals can not an should not get married, try wrapping your stomach around the notion of how the Church would validate or allow the marriage of two cousins ( the separation of the blood line makes no difference to me ) that are heterosexual, because they can " reproduce ". Big sarcastic round of applause for that logic, I had debated against that logic on C.A.F and lost due to I wouldn't change my stance after arguing the absurdity on how inbreeding ( which is what it is, when you take people from the same blood line and they marry and have children, it is inbreeding ) if one chooses to let it be a negative or derogatory slur that is upon the individual who is insulted. Inbreeding does not promise the survival of the heterosexual species , there might be a chance and maybe for some that is good enough versus a homosexual marriage which promises no chance of reproduction. But by that point it is splitting hairs if one is really debating the survival of humanity on is it time to start inbreeding. Instead of focusing on why the population came to that point to begin with instead of prevented. Now either everything is okay or none of it is, I don't like wading in the grey zone, if society is not going to collapse due to two heterosexual cousins marrying who are catholic and are " in love " I in turn do not believe the argument that homosexuals will destroy the sanctity of marriage, especially if God created this sacrament. Humanity can not destroy what God created. It may insult what God created, but not destroy it. And being we have free will and are judged by that, then we as humanity have the right to make the wrong decisions in life as we see fit, that doesn't mean everyone else has to like our decisions nor does it mean that we need to get up in arms because our feelings are hurt. And it doesn't mean we can't pray or try to persuade people to understand what God intended for us to do in regards to marriage. Life goes on for people that are not married and for people who choose to live a happy life outside of marriage, plus guess what, single heterosexual people can still adopt, unless one wants to argue that single parents adopting a child shouldn't take place and instead the adoption agency should really only focus on allowing children to be adopted to two happily married heterosexuals. And if they can't then oh well when they turn 18 they are just homeless. Marriage can be beautiful and wonderful, no doubt, but people only want to focus on that and the importance God put on it, rather than the very real struggles people face in a marriage, and how that it is merely an option not a mandate by God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 you kind of are. super b. what are you saying if not that? I can no longer continue re repeating what I meant. If you want to believe that SOME people are not basing relationships on superficialness that is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 forgot to edit. . Life goes on for people that are not married and for people who choose to live a happy life outside of marriage, plus guess what, single heterosexual people can still adopt, unless one wants to argue that A single PERSON adopting a child shouldn't take place and instead the adoption agency should really only focus on allowing children to be adopted to two happily married heterosexuals. And if they can't then oh well when they turn 18 they are just homeless. Marriage can be beautiful and wonderful, no doubt, but people only want to focus on that and the importance God put on it, rather than the very real struggles people face in a marriage, and how that it is merely an option not a mandate by God. P.S Gold Star and 1 million points to who ever actually read all of that. * points may be redeemed at your local therapists office * * Gold Star has no real value * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted June 8, 2014 Share Posted June 8, 2014 I can no longer continue re repeating what I meant. If you want to believe that SOME people are not basing relationships on superficialness that is fine. Blue, I've got to tell you how you appear to me from your posts. It's just my perception, and essentially flawed. It's a behavior I recognize I've done myself. You come off as a very negative person. Too quick to recognize your faults and make the too important. You are then upset when others take your cue and react to the negative self image you initially portray. We all tend to do that and sometimes need a kind reminder. Don't be so harsh on yourself because now you're complaining about people mirroring your own harsh self judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I can no longer continue re repeating what I meant. If you want to believe that SOME people are not basing relationships on superficialness that is fine.True some do, but not most That is the impression I took from your responses No offense intended! Edited June 8, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 8, 2014 Author Share Posted June 8, 2014 (edited) I can no longer continue re repeating what I meant. If you want to believe that SOME people are not basing relationships on superficialness that is fine. But then people like that are only interested in a casual fling Edited June 8, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superblue Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 no offense taken, and there is truth that I might be reflecting my own circumstances on to the topic at hand, but I will state nothing I have said has on my part been directed at anyone here, if that wasn't clear I hope it is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 12, 2014 Author Share Posted June 12, 2014 (edited) Lol my two favorite prevalent themes in one thread: 1. Blaming women. 2. Things were better in the oldy times. 1. Where is anyone blaming women in this thread? 2. 30 years ago is not a long time, when I met my spouse she was just 20 y.o. , we courted and married 3 years latter. Our wedding day was the biggest / happiest day of her life, she told me ( up until that time), something she looked forward to her whole life. She had a "hope chest" since she was a little girl, I have doubts that girls today even know what A hope chest is? It was the happiest day of her young life, that is until she gave birth to our baby girl 10 months after saying I do... 28 years and 20 days after our precious baby was born my spouse past-on due to cancer... Till death do us part Marriage ( oidy times) is better, girl. I love her more today that on the day she said I do Sincerely, Add Edited June 12, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 Marriage ( oidy times) is better, girl. I love her more today that on the day she said I do FYI, Semper is a "he". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 13, 2014 Author Share Posted June 13, 2014 FYI, Semper is a "he". Must be true if you read it on the internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted June 27, 2014 Author Share Posted June 27, 2014 (edited) My niece married in her backyard instead of a church My son married in a church by our parish priest Both wedding's where wonderful Both promised to be faithful to each other for life Both had relatives, friends family witness Both couples are in love and said all the traditional vows One was blessed ( our parish priest was the life of the party and was so good running the show) Edited June 27, 2014 by add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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