Why Modesty Guidelines Are Wrong

[4LoveofJMJ]

I agree with this article so much. I hate it when they talk about modesty in a way that gives the impression that guys have no self control where lust is concerned. That we must be completely covered lest we lead our poor helpless brothers to sin. This responsibility is on the shoulders of women after all. Yet nothing is ever said to guys about controlling their thoughts! :wall:

 

When I was growing up, my mom always instilled in me the idea that if I wanted to dress in a way that gets the attention of the cute guy I wanted to impress, he would not be the only one looking. There are other ways of looking attractive without showing too much skin. If a girl wants to be taken seriously, then she shouldn't dress like the girls who only want to play.

[Lilllabettt]

Oh please. There is absolutely no need to have a girl kneel down on the ground to check her skirt length, gimme a break! hahaha!

I went to private school most of my life where I wore a uniform. It does not take a rocket scientists to see that if a skirt is too high above the knee then they will fail this "skirt test".

There were a few girls who had skirts that were mid thigh....you dont need a skirt test to verify the length.

 

I dont think we need to have girls kneeling down on the ground or having 1 dollar bills placed next to them...use your eyes people.

 

And even if the skirt is a quarter of an inch in either direction, who cares? I dont think a quarter of an inch is going to even be noticeable nor was it likely a plot by the girl to evade the rules.

 

Your way works in kumbaya world - that magical place where parents, teachers and their childen are all sane, reasonable people.

 

In the real world, the parents, teachers and children at any given school are NOT all reasonable people. In the real world, parents will scream their lungs out to demand "fair" and "equal" treatment of thier offspring. A teacher or administrator having an "opinion" or making a "judgment call" that a child's dress violates the unifom code will not fly. What the real world requires is an objective measure that people without the patience or facility to use measuring tape can understand and apply. There is no room for the possibilty of capriciousness in this area. Trust me.

[CrossCuT]

Your way works in kumbaya world - that magical place where parents, teachers and their childen are all sane, reasonable people.

 

In the real world, the parents, teachers and children at any given school are NOT all reasonable people. In the real world, parents will scream their lungs out to demand "fair" and "equal" treatment of thier offspring. A teacher or administrator having an "opinion" or making a "judgment call" that a child's dress violates the unifom code will not fly. What the real world requires is an objective measure that people without the patience or facility to use measuring tape can understand and apply. There is no room for the possibilty of capriciousness in this area. Trust me.

 

If you notice, Im not arguing at all against the enforcement of modesty guidelines in schools. Just the shame test.

 

So you think this kneeling test is 100% necessary, like there are 0 other options? Bahahahaha

Did we just go back in time?

 

And the reality of social norms is only reality because we make it that way. This reality can be changed whenever we choose to make it something else. So the whole "This is reality" argument doesnt do much for me, its more of an excuse than anything else. "Oh we shouldnt do anything to change the world because X, Y, Z is a reality."

[FutureCarmeliteClaire]

oooOOOooooOOO

[SilentJoy]

Fight! Fight! Fight! Fight! :winner:

[Lilllabettt]

If you notice, Im not arguing at all against the enforcement of modesty guidelines in schools. Just the shame test.

 

So you think this kneeling test is 100% necessary, like there are 0 other options? Bahahahaha

Did we just go back in time?

 

And the reality of social norms is only reality because we make it that way. This reality can be changed whenever we choose to make it something else. So the whole "This is reality" argument doesnt do much for me, its more of an excuse than anything else. "Oh we shouldnt do anything to change the world because X, Y, Z is a reality."

 

No, the kneeling test is not strictly "necessary." I know one school used the finger tip test until Mom complained her daughter was being unfairly punished for having "longer arms!!!!" And why does the school base their uniform decisions on arm length instead of actual skirt length, since skirt length is what is at issue?!?!?! And on and on. So they went for the kneeling test.  No doubt someone will eventually have a problem with that. Everyone has their log to saw.

 

I never saw the skirt test performed in a public setting. Usually a kid in a questionable outfit would get sent down to the office and if they failed the test they'd be put in a hideous loaner skirt -- oh no, more shame!!!  But I personally see nothing wrong -- and everything right -- with students experiencing shame as one of the consequences of their choice to break a rule.