Basilisa Marie Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 So a friend of my posted this on Facebook: If murder is a sin and violates the 10 commandments, then why was the murdering of Jesus the ticket to salvation? Two wrongs don't make a right. I can't seem figure out the right kind of response. What would you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Looks like one of those "gotcha" statuses. Alright, so... 1. Validate his opinion. Like "Christian theology can seem tricky at times. :)" 2. When explaining yours, always keep it on the "I." 3. Keep it short and sweet--no more than 3 sentences. If your friend decides to engage then you can bulk up your responses. 4. End on a nice note, like a smiley face, to show this person that there's no animosity here and you're not looking for some huge debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 It demonstrates God's sovereignty, power and mercy by showing how He can draw some good from even the worst choices we make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 I feel like this falls under one of those "why does God allow sin" sort of discussions. God knew He would die, but He allowed it to happen for the sake of something better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 It has to do with sacrifice. 1. Abraham sacrificed pigeons and sheep and stuff in his original compact with God. 2. God asked Abraham to sacrifice Isaac - but stopped him. It's a prefiguring of God sacrificing Jesus. 3. Mosaic law established various kinds of sacrifices for various kinds of thanks, forgiveness, and so forth. 4. God let us kill Him - He let us commit the ultimate sin against him - and then showed us that He can take that, too, and still forgive us. 5. It is a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatitude Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Jesus was baptised even when he didn't need to be. Through his immersion in the Jordan he showed that he had come to participate fully in our human life, with everything that entails. Humans hurt one another and humans suffer death. He didn't shy away from that part of our experience. He took it on himself so that everyone who ever finds themselves harmed or broken will be able to know that God has touched it, and God's love is with them even there in the most immediate personal way. This is the gift of salvation, which shouldn't simply be understood as a 'ticket to heaven' but as a way to be close with God - not just in heaven, but starting here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Oh, the other thing I forgot - All of our sins were laid on Jesus during his crucifixion. So our sins were "killed" when Jesus was killed. That's the way the old sacrifices worked, too. But then Jesus proved He was God and that God fully controls life and death, creation and destruction, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted March 9, 2014 Author Share Posted March 9, 2014 Thanks all - this gives me a bunch of ideas to work with. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 "If murder is a sin and violates the 10 commandments, then why was the murdering of Jesus the ticket to salvation? Two wrongs don't make a right." To be clear, murdering Jesus wasn't a ticket to salvation for anyone responsible for the murdering. I'm also not sure where there are two wrongs in murdering Jesus. I only see one wrong. Careful to affirm such a flawed statement by debating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 So a friend of my posted this on Facebook: I can't seem figure out the right kind of response. What would you say? Because God the Son decided to take on human flesh and die so that humans would live again. Through his death, we live. He wasn't murdered. He voluntarily became man and took on mortality so that human beings would be immortal. His death was a choice. Or, to put it bluntly: "God became man so that man might become God" - St. Athanisius of Alexandria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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