CatholicsAreKewl Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) This article just popped up in my feed: http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/25/gay_denialism_is_the_new_homophobia_catholic_argument_against_gay_rights.html The article they're referring to was written by someone from my rival high-school. Its weird to see his name mentioned here. Edited February 26, 2014 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I saw that article. I imagine it's going to be quite controversial here. Perhaps yours will become the thread with a combination of "what" "you" "know" and "hurt" that is the first to make the move to the debate table... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I read the original First Things article, "Against Heterosexuality." We have a subscription to the print edition here at home. There is a lot in there which I like, but plenty I dislike too. But I think the first thing the good people of Phatmass need to know is that First Things is NOT a specifically Catholic publication! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I also think that the guy writing from Slate is doing a good job of breathlessly sensationalizing the argument from the First Things article. But, it is the Slate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 No, Arfink. Slate is the best journal of all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 Slate makes their money the same way as other link-baity operations. ;) I'm currently doing hard time in social-media marketing, so I've sadly observed how the sausage is made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 I like sausage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 I originally started to post on how First Things has been slipping as of late, then I clicked through to the slate article and my eyes immediately zero'd in on the first sentence of the second paragraph: "layers of illogic" - Really? That's the best words he could come up with? He obviously had a thesaurus and google handy to help him with some other big words, so couldn't he have gotten a little more creative? It's not even clear to me "illogic" is a word... ...things like this really annoy me... The leftist intellectuals are all gone. Gone and dead. The Church is being attacked (and may ultimately be openly persecuted by the gov't) and it is and will be by dull, boring, idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 How is the state attacking the church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted February 26, 2014 Share Posted February 26, 2014 These are just a sampling of what's happening at the state level... http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshsteimle/2013/08/28/entrepreneurship-threatened-by-ruling-in-new-mexico-gay-marriage-case/ http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2013/12/7/denver-cake-shopmustsellcakestogaycouplejudgerules.html http://reason.com/blog/2013/09/03/bakery-that-refused-to-make-gay-wedding Google around and you'll find more examples. The real attack on the Church proper is coming from the feds. It starts with the ACA via the HHS, though I suspect the IRS will get involved if we can't elect a winner in 2016. I'm hoping you are familiar enough with the ACA issues that I don't have to provide links, but I will if you sincerely aren't familiar but are sincerely interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted February 26, 2014 Author Share Posted February 26, 2014 (edited) First article: i think we agree here. People should be allowed to refuse their services to anyone, whether they be gays, blacks, whites, or Catholics. 2nd article: Same point above. Besides, do you REALLY want to eat a cake someone was forced to make you? 3rd article: ... Why did you give me two articles about gay cake? I don't think these articles are evidence of a persecution of Christians. For some reason, every group has some weird persecution complex in this country. We can get around these unfair rules if we don't allow the government that sort of power to begin with. Edited February 26, 2014 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 3rd article: ... Why did you give me two articles about gay cake? Did somebody say gay cake? (Sorry in advance. couldn't resist.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 (edited) Did somebody say gay cake? (Sorry in advance. couldn't resist.) Cake is a form of asexual symbolism because to those who do not have any desire for sex, cake is simply better. Thus cake=asexual thing. Edited February 27, 2014 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 How is the state attacking the church? It's late, I'm tired, and I have neither the time not the inclination to find the links. But if you have time, you can Google these stories. I'm using the term "state" to include any government agency or quasi-governmental agency. Some of these examples are lawsuits filed by individuals or agencies against Catholic organizations - if the court rules in favor of the plaintiffs, it would be a government agency acting against the Church. And I'm including other countries, so I should edit your question to read, "How are states attacking..." 1. Washington DC tried to - and I believe successfully did - close down the Catholic adoption agency in the diocese because the Catholic agency refused to place children in homosexual homes. That was about three or four years ago. They rather see an agency go out of business and not place any children in homes than allow the agency to turn down any gay applicants. 2. Attempts by school districts to force Catholic schools to hire teachers who stand in direct opposition to Church teaching - gays among them, but not only gays. 3. In Ireland, the attempt by the government to force priests to break the seal of confession. I don't know where that legislation stands at the moment. 4. Obama Care. Force the Catholics to pay for non-Catholics' birth control, abortions, etc. Would Obama try to force Jews to eat pork? Would he try to force Muslims to eat shellfish? Even if he did, nobody dies from violating dietary laws. 5. Attempts to force Catholic hospitals to perform abortions - the most recent case I read about was in Michigan, wasn't it? 6. Attempt to stop St. Joseph's Benedictine Abbey in Louisiana from producing and selling caskets/coffins as a means of supporting themselves. The monks won the case last year, but it counts as an attack. 7. The UN lambasting the Catholic Church in whatever that recent publication is. There's another thread about that on the board. The UN, a secular institution that's a grand total of 86(?) years old, thinks it can dictate theology to a worldwide institution that's two millenia old. 8. In France, the government banning the wearing of crosses or crucifixes by any citizen in public. To be fair, the French government is also attacking Islam by banning Muslim women from wearing head coverings in public. 9. The claim by certain political groups that "there are too many Catholics on the Supreme Court." 10. Governor Mario Cuomo's recent public statement that Catholics are not welcome in New York state/ I'm sure there are more, but that's all that come to mind off the top of my head. As I said, it's late and I'm tired. Note, though, that government agencies and the associated groups are NOT systematically attacking other churches. The Catholics do not hold a monopoly on many of these issues, but we are the biggest, oldest, most well-established religion in this country (and the other traditionally Catholic countries mentioned) so we are the primary target. Although I'm starting to get tired of it, this country has a long tradition of anti-Catholicism. If you read American church history (something deeper than a high school textbook), you can find lots of examples of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted February 27, 2014 Share Posted February 27, 2014 4. Obama Care. Force the Catholics to pay for non-Catholics' birth control, abortions, etc. Would Obama try to force Jews to eat pork? Would he try to force Muslims to eat shellfish? Even if he did, nobody dies from violating dietary laws. I don't think Obama care forces people to use birth control. Who pays for school lunches, tax payers or the families whose children eat of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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