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[reyb]

[quote name='Giolla' post='1730850' date='Dec 17 2008, 09:12 PM']We are taught on how to interpret scripture so that we do not get anything wrong. We read because it is the word of God.[/quote]
[indent]Of course, you are allowed to read and allowed to interpret and guided by them how to interpret it. In short, you are allowed all of these things but it should be in accordance to their 'instructions, faith and doctrine '. You cannot 'interpret' it different from the Church doctrine otherwise you will be expelled. But suppose you see something not right or different from the Church established doctrine and then, inquire it to your priest or bishop, Do you think they will 'correct, rebuke and encourage you with great patience and careful instruction'? When we say 'careful instruction' it simply mean you must understand it with 'careful reasoning'. They should not say 'just believe it even without proper reasoning'.

I will give you a sample question if you want and let see if they will 'correct, rebuke and encourage you with great patience and careful instruction'. [/indent]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='reyb' post='1730731' date='Dec 17 2008, 07:32 PM'][indent]You are allowed to read it but you are forbidden to interpret it yourself. Why reading it anyway. [/indent][/quote]
Of course we are allowed to interpret it as long as we use common sense. But it would to be silly to reinvent the wheel, don't ya think?/? Since the Scriptures are a church document, the church are the experts at explaining what it means.

[reyb]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' post='1733107' date='Dec 21 2008, 12:01 PM']Of course we are allowed to interpret it as long as we use common sense. But it would to be silly to reinvent the wheel, don't ya think?/? Since the Scriptures are a church document, the church are the experts at explaining what it means.[/quote]

[indent]Cmotherofpril, the Bible are not Roman Catholic Church's document because if that is true how about the Jewishs' canon - do they owned it also?. it is better to say, your Church compiled it into one book but, it does not mean, they 'owned' it or each and every books included in that bible comes from your Church. [/indent]

[Winchester]

[quote name='reyb' post='1733137' date='Dec 21 2008, 12:21 PM'][indent]Cmotherofpril, the Bible are not Roman Catholic Church's document because if that is true how about the Jewishs' canon - do they owned it also?. it is better to say, your Church compiled it into one book but, it does not mean, they 'owned' it or each and every books included in that bible comes from your Church. [/indent][/quote]
If one views the Catholic Church as the fulfillment of the Jewish faith, then CM's usage (even as interpreted (bizarrely) by you) is proper.

[MithLuin]

[b]reyb[/b], to addres the heart of your question, Catholics engage in Bible studies in which we read passages of the Bible and then discuss what they mean to us and our lives. If someone said something rather wacky, I'm sure the leader (likely another layperson, not a priest) would seek to gently correct the person.

So yes, we use what the Church teaches in our own reading and interpretation of the Bible, of course. But I have never had anyone tell me I "can't interpret" the Bible. Nor do I have a 'problem' with the Church's teaching. There is allowable room for speculation; not everything is set in stone. Orthodoxy sets a boundary, and you must stay within the bounds so as not to contradict other aspects of faith. It is, after all, possible to stray into error through ignorance. But within those bounds, you are welcome to form various interpretations of different scriptual passages. Those boundaries help to lead us to the Truth, they don't keep us from it.

Edited December 21, 2008 by MithLuin

[reyb]

[indent]Spiritual Ignorance does not mean just the lack of knowledge because of one man’s inability to comprehend religious doctrine although that is the meaning of the word. Even the best and the brightest scholar in the entire planet, does follow he will see light of the gospel (see 2 Cor4:4) because it does not depend on one man’s proficiency or capability but on the spirit and he may forget that deception brings ignorance.

We are warned by Apostle Paul and all witnesses, not to learn on our own understanding and not to let ourselves be deceived. But how can the best in the group will know that he is deceived if he will not learn to listen to the criticism of the least and also of others?

While, it is true that Catholics are allowed to read and interpret the bible and also allowed to give personal interpretation and adaptation of verses on their day to day living which they called ‘bible sharing’ but still, they must not go beyond this fence of religious doctrine otherwise they will be expelled and condemned as believers of heresy.

Hence, I am not surprise that for almost 2000 years almost nothing has changed in Catholicism. God is still a mystery to them while Apostle Paul said ‘but we have the mind of Christ (1Cor2:16)’. [/indent]

[reyb]

[indent]correction please...[/indent]
[quote name='reyb' post='1734274' date='Dec 23 2008, 06:00 AM'][indent]Spiritual Ignorance does not mean just the lack of knowledge because of one man’s inability to comprehend religious doctrine although that is the meaning of the word. Even the best and the brightest scholar in the entire planet, does [color="#0000FF"]not[/color] follow he will see light of the gospel (see 2 Cor4:4) because it does not depend on one man’s proficiency or capability but on the spirit and he may forget that deception brings ignorance.

We are warned by Apostle Paul and all witnesses, not to learn on our own understanding and not to let ourselves be deceived. But how can the best in the group will know that he is deceived if he will not learn to listen to the criticism of the least and also of others?

While, it is true that Catholics are allowed to read and interpret the bible and also allowed to give personal interpretation and adaptation of verses on their day to day living which they called ‘bible sharing’ but still, they must not go beyond this fence of religious doctrine otherwise they will be expelled and condemned as believers of heresy.

Hence, I am not surprise that for almost 2000 years almost nothing has changed in Catholicism. God is still a mystery to them while Apostle Paul said ‘but we have the mind of Christ (1Cor2:16)’. [/indent][/quote]