Mod Tag Whinging

[IcePrincessKRS]

if the moderating has been more hands on that in the past, I'm not aware of it (except for Vocation Station, which cma was brought in to more closely monitor that because it kept blowing up in ways that poisoned the atmosphere for religious discernment).  the whole point of us as mods is to do basically nothing unless absolutely necessary.

 

anyway this definitely became much more tense than I expected.  I must be living in a bubble, because as far as I know we have done barely anything compared to how active moderating was back when I was part of the bigger team, as it were, when me and L_D were the lazy mods who did nothing except for L_D going around undoing everyone's warnings :smokey:.  I guess the "more hands on" stuff has just been mods making comments that feel like nanny modding to people?

 

Yes, I've mainly been lurking these days but I've seen a lot of nanny-modding type of posts "this could get moved/edited/closed" reminders. I know back in the day we edited plenty enough (no denying that), as reports came in and it was deemed necessary, but a lot of that was during the cranky seasons. Lent, elections, when we had seriously bad trolls like was mentioned previously (Chris Zewe had like 9 accounts by the time he was finally banished for good, I wouldn't be surprised if he found a way back in)--do you remember the Satanist girl that was posting horribly crude, graphic, and sacreligious things ALL NIGHT LONG and even though we banned her she would pop back on with a new SN and a proxy IP address? I do. It's seared into my brain, even now years later I cannot forget it. So, I suppose it might seem way more tense than is necessary, but when I look at the greater scheme of things from my experiences someone joking with red text kinda seems like peanuts.

 

I'm not mad or testy, I hope you're not interpreting my words that way, I'm just saying there are obviously different perspectives at work here. If this is the first "big" conflict some of the mods have had to deal with since getting hired then they probably should tighten their belts and hunker down, because Lent is coming. :P

 

Plus, Winchester Line and all that. :icey2:

[IcePrincessKRS]

honestly I'll take this up in private discussion with the others because I was unaware there was a big nanny-state-mod-presence being felt and if that's really happening a lot, I think we should back off.  we're only meant to mod when absolutely necessary.

 

on the other hand cma's thing about the red mod tags seemed innocent and well intentioned, so while I don't think she should make comments like that and perhaps she is making them too often (it's basic moderator mission-creep, it will naturally happen when you have some kind of position or powers that you will gradually start finding ways they have to be used... totally understandable, has happened to every moderator team in the history of phatmass)... the jumping down her throat about it very much surprised me.  in any event, I'll try to get the phatmass gobmint off your backs and out of your pockets, and send you all some taco tax rebates.

 

I was writing my other post and didn't see this come up. Thank you. You're a doll. I'm honestly not worked up, I think we have a couple different perspectives flying around here and it'd be nice if we could come to a bit of an understanding as to why other people feel the way they do instead of getting grumpity and talking past one another. So, thank you again, I appreciate your efforts. And the efforts of BG and CMAD, because I know being a mod isn't always easy and the criticism isn't always constructive.

[Aloysius]

of course I remember that satanist girl, I'm the one who had to track down her parish and send an email to the pastor to them when she was threatening to steal/desecrate the Eucharist.  I believe that was the origin of the screenname "Aloysiuscanburninhell" since she claimed she was never going to actually do that and I had ruined her reputation or something... I wonder if that screenname still exists lol.

 

anyway, yeah, this is small peanuts, goes to a broader discussion of our modding philosophy that I will be discussing with the others.  thanks for showing love for cma though, this was a pretty intense backlash... and we should all recognize she's just trying to help make phatmass a nice place for everyone, as we all are :)

[Lil Red]

honestly I'll take this up in private discussion with the others because I was unaware there was a big nanny-state-mod-presence being felt and if that's really happening a lot, I think we should back off.  we're only meant to mod when absolutely necessary.

 

on the other hand cma's thing about the red mod tags seemed innocent and well intentioned, so while I don't think she should make comments like that and perhaps she is making them too often (it's basic moderator mission-creep, it will naturally happen when you have some kind of position or powers that you will gradually start finding ways they have to be used... totally understandable, has happened to every moderator team in the history of phatmass)... the jumping down her throat about it very much surprised me.  in any event, I'll try to get the phatmass gobmint off your backs and out of your pockets, and send you all some taco tax rebates.

 

*grumble grumble* Al makes another reasonable post *grumble grumble* 

 

 

I was writing my other post and didn't see this come up. Thank you. You're a doll. I'm honestly not worked up, I think we have a couple different perspectives flying around here and it'd be nice if we could come to a bit of an understanding as to why other people feel the way they do instead of getting grumpity and talking past one another. So, thank you again, I appreciate your efforts. And the efforts of BG and CMAD, because I know being a mod isn't always easy and the criticism isn't always constructive.

 

sorry i flew off the handle. what i said on Facebook was totally and literally laughing at a mod saying we can't mock the mod tags. but what was said here in response to that pushed my buttons, hard core. and i have a hair-trigger temper, combined with zero coffee this morning. i still stand behind what I've said, though I could have tempered it. 

[IcePrincessKRS]

of course I remember that satanist girl, I'm the one who had to track down her parish and send an email to the pastor to them when she was threatening to steal/desecrate the Eucharist.  I believe that was the origin of the screenname "Aloysiuscanburninhell" since she claimed she was never going to actually do that and I had ruined her reputation or something... I wonder if that screenname still exists lol.

 

anyway, yeah, this is small peanuts, goes to a broader discussion of our modding philosophy that I will be discussing with the others.  thanks for showing love for cma though, this was a pretty intense backlash... and we should all recognize she's just trying to help make phatmass a nice place for everyone, as we all are :)

 

Yes, that was a horrible, horrible night. lol

 

I just remebered, too, when editing mods are supposed to put their name with the red tag, right? That's the way we used to do it, "edited: for personal attacks ---ICP",  and if mods are doing that now it should lead to a lot less confusion when someone decides to goof off and copy the red tags. (Now if someone were using the red tags and inserting a mod's name then I could see cause for getting angry over it.)

[Jaime]

I'm too atheo-Catholic to look up the post, but I hear there's word that there's some [mod]edited for the naughties--Budge[/mod] whinging about using mod tags as a means of being right [mod] edited for naughties--Hasan[/mod]ing hilarious. I believe I pioneered this bit of ribaldry. And it's funny. What's not funny is being a whingy [mod]dude--sidemunch88[/mod]at over the matter. Well, that is funny, but in the "Holy poop balls, what a ninny" kind of funny.

 

If you can't deal, then turn in your fasces.

 

It's easy to claim something brilliant as your own when the actual guy isn't around much

[Nihil Obstat]

Remember that time Jaime mentioned playing guitar at Mass, and I laughed because I thought he was joking/being sarcastic, and it turned out he was serious and was kinda peeved at me? Good times, good times.

[Deus te Amat]

One time, I went to a church where the priest played the guitar. It was an interesting shuffle when it came to the consecration.

[Nihil Obstat]

I am still not ok with guitars at Mass, but I like Jaime, so I will pretend that I do not know about his terrible secret. :|

[PhuturePriest]

[PhuturePriest]

honestly I'll take this up in private discussion with the others because I was unaware there was a big nanny-state-mod-presence being felt and if that's really happening a lot, I think we should back off.  we're only meant to mod when absolutely necessary.

 

on the other hand cma's thing about the red mod tags seemed innocent and well intentioned, so while I don't think she should make comments like that and perhaps she is making them too often (it's basic moderator mission-creep, it will naturally happen when you have some kind of position or powers that you will gradually start finding ways they have to be used... totally understandable, has happened to every moderator team in the history of phatmass)... the jumping down her throat about it very much surprised me.  in any event, I'll try to get the phatmass gobmint off your backs and out of your pockets, and send you all some taco tax rebates.

 

I feel really bad, because I don't like saying anything that can be taken as negative towards others and the job they've been doing, but I have to agree that there has been a nanny-state type of vibe going on recently. The biggest example of this that happened to me was when I made a thread about a blog post a radical feminist made about how all hetereosexual sex is inherently rape, and the wording in it was sometimes a bit discriptive, but nothing I wouldn't let a younger sibling see. However, CMA decided that because it was technically about sex and rape, it was to be moved to Raising Small Humans, which I was slightly irked about, but then I asked if I could continue participating in it, and she said no. So, you move my thread to a board I can't go to because it's debatably too hot to handle for younger kids, and then you tell me I can no longer participate in the thread I made because YOU moved it to a place I can't go to?

 

I've been waiting to complain about that for months, so forgive me. I needed to get it out. :P

Edited February 22, 2014 by FuturePriest387

[Basilisa Marie]

I don't think Phatmass would be Phatmass without occasional bouts of drama. 

 

[Basilisa Marie]

I feel really bad, because I don't like saying anything that can be taken as negative towards others and the job they've been doing, but I have to agree that there has been a nanny-state type of vibe going on recently. The biggest example of this that happened to me was when I made a thread about a link a feminist made about all hetereosexual sex is inherently rape, and the wording in it was sometimes a bit discriptive, but nothing I wouldn't let a younger sibling see. However, CMA decided that because it was technically about sex and rape, it was to be moved to Raising Small Humans, which I was slightly irked about, but then I asked if I could continue participating in it, and she said no. So, you move my thread to a board I can't go to because it's debatably too hot to handle for younger kids, and then you tell me I can no longer participate in the thread I made because YOU moved it to a place I can't go to?

 

I've been waiting to complain about that for months, so forgive me. I needed to get it out. :P

 

To be fair, I don't think that's a topic appropriate for 13 year olds to be exposed to and discuss. 13 is pretty much the age minimum of the internet and Open Mic, and while I'm sure many 13 year olds could handle it, I highly doubt many 13 year olds that were raised in a very Catholic environment could.

 

I totally get your frustration though, but I know it's something I have to remember too, that even though a lot of the regular posters are adults or older teenagers, there are still lots of "sheltered kids" around, even if they're lurking. I know I lurked on phatmass for years, on and off, before I joined. I have to remember that even if I was a public school kid who read everything she could get her hands on (especially so if her parents said no), a lot of other kids aren't that way. Maybe the thread could have been edited in a way to let it stay, but I don't think the mods wanted to take a chance. 

Edited February 22, 2014 by Basilisa Marie

[PhuturePriest]

To be fair, I don't think that's a topic appropriate for 13 year olds to be exposed to and discuss. 13 is pretty much the age minimum of the internet and Open Mic, and while I'm sure many 13 year olds could handle it, I highly doubt many 13 year olds that were raised in a very Catholic environment could. I totally get your frustration, but I know it's something I have to remember too, that even though a lot of the regular posters are adults or older teenagers, there are still lots of "sheltered kids" around, even if they're lurking. I know I lurked on phatmass for years, on and off, before I joined. 

 

I have no issue with moving the thread to Raising Small Humans. But then denying me access to my own thread (Even when I asked if I could just go there and to no other threads) was a little bit ridiculous, in my biased opinion. :P

[dUSt]

if the moderating has been more hands on that in the past, I'm not aware of it (except for Vocation Station, which cma was brought in to more closely monitor that because it kept blowing up in ways that poisoned the atmosphere for religious discernment).  the whole point of us as mods is to do basically nothing unless absolutely necessary.
 
anyway this definitely became much more tense than I expected.  I must be living in a bubble, because as far as I know we have done barely anything compared to how active moderating was back when I was part of the bigger team, as it were, when me and L_D were the lazy mods who did nothing except for L_D going around undoing everyone's warnings :smokey:.  I guess the "more hands on" stuff has just been mods making comments that feel like nanny modding to people?

This.