PhuturePriest Posted March 3, 2014 Share Posted March 3, 2014 A lot of what he talks about isn't theology. It's about how to live your life as a Catholic. It's stories about him and what brought him to the faith, or parts of his faith journey. It's advice on how to pray. None of that is sealed with some imprimatur or nihil obstat that says "yes he is right that is how you should pray", or "yes that actually happened to him and was the cause of his conversion". You don't have to say something contrary to Church teaching to tell lies, be deceptive, or lead someone astray. I don't discount the fact that his talked helped a lot of people, but at the same time, knowing that while he was giving those talks, he was living an entirely different life, those talks are no longer edifying for me and many others. Listening to Fr. Corapi tell me lust is bad knowing that while he was saying that he was sleeping around as a priest... just not quite the same. Call me naive, but I completely believe his conversion story. I believe that what he says happened, happened. I just think that after his ordination somewhere he lost his way. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, to which I'm completely open to hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 (edited) It'd be really interesting if the allegations were true and he was like that from the get-go. Holy Corapi. Edited March 5, 2014 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oremus1 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 ABC I have read about the theology behind the pov you are proposing. I understand it but simply disagree. I do not think virginity is lost by willful experience of venereal pleasure, even if it does result in a loss of sanctifying grace. I think virginity is lost by willful experience of body/soul union with another person. That to me is the definition of sex. The experience of pleasure accompanying that union is entirely tangential. A virgin is someone who forsakes this union with created persons in favor of union with the divine persons. The key experience is willed intimacy - not willed pleasure. I do not think a person can give their virginity to their hand, or a pillow or a porn magazine. I believe it must be offered to and received by another person. I agree with you, but to adopt this position means to say St Aquinas was wrong, which is a major thing. Do you think he is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I agree with you, but to adopt this position means to say St Aquinas was wrong, which is a major thing. Do you think he is wrong? I think he is wrong. Even if I have to admit the chances that I am wrong about him being wrong are far greater than the chance that he is wrong! He has been wrong before - about the Immaculate Conception, for example. I think he would be the first to say that theologians are in some ways a prisoner of their context. I think it may be important that he is a man ... I think men have a tendency to view sex and virginity from a much different perspective. But yeah. I disagree with St. Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 I think he is wrong. Even if I have to admit the chances that I am wrong about him being wrong are far greater than the chance that he is wrong! He has been wrong before - about the Immaculate Conception, for example. I think he would be the first to say that theologians are in some ways a prisoner of their context. I think it may be important that he is a man ... I think men have a tendency to view sex and virginity from a much different perspective. But yeah. I disagree with St. Thomas. Saint Thomas Aquinas also thought that male babies in the womb get their souls 40 days after conception, and female babies get their souls 80 days. Obviously, he was wrong. Being a Saint and Doctor of the Church doesn't make you infallible on theological matters, though it does make you a generally good and credible source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted March 6, 2014 Author Share Posted March 6, 2014 In context, St. Augustine was consoling nuns who had been raped. They were afraid that by being sexually abused, that they had sinned by fornicating. St. Augustine assured them they had not sinned, since they didn't break their vow of chastity because they did not agree to have sex with their rapists. Those who have been sexually assaulted or raped can rest assured that despite being violated, that they are not impure or dirty. This is what St. Augustine is talking about when he's talking about spiritual virginity. He is not saying that if you intentionally masturbate, look at pornography, etc. that you are no longer a virgin. Such actions are of course sins against chastity, but in order to lose your virginity you have to willingly have sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AugustineA Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Wow, 11 pages.. Making out can be seriously dangerous, depending on the context, person, and level of intimacy. I remember a few years ago, too much wine, a girl who liked me too much, and boom.. intense make out session. It feels worse if you've been particularly observant, praying, fasting, attending Mass, confession, and studying regularly. It can really shake you up. That's, I think, significantly different from a young couple on the way to marriage, both practicing Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Josh Harris who wrote the book "I kissed dating goodbye" claimed that he had. He even started his own church. And more recently his church had legal problems because of sexual abuse.. And he admitted that he had been sexually abused as a child... Personally, I don't think it's healthy for Catholics to read Protestant dating/marriage advice books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 I think I am going to write a book and become really really rich. I will title it "I kissed my life goodbye". It will teach people how to live a life that takes a lot of effort and deprives them of many natural human pleasures and satisfactions -- while doing absolutely nothing of any benefit for anybody else. First off I will teach people not to be vain about their looks -- especially concerning the opposite sexes view of us. We will become know as the "bagheads" -- because we will wear bags over our heads. No makeup, no fancy hair style. We won't even wash our hair or brush our teeth. And we will eat a lot of food and become really really fat. Eating will be our only pleasure, because excess eating will make us so fat and unattractive to the opposite sex. Also we will avoid all exercise and sports -- because they are good for us, they are fun, and they make us feel and look better. We will NOT be narcissists!!!! Secondly we will absolutely never masterbate or even pick our noses! We will occupy ourselves by kneeling and praying constantly -- to the point where we absolutely hate the prayers and feel that we are losing our minds. Not only will we kneel on hard stone floors we will also walk around on our knees. Even if we have to go into town we will be on our knees. We will hear little kids asking "Mommy why does that fat woman wear a bag over her head and walk on her knees?". this whole thread is cray-cray but your post is hilarious. you're seriously putting masturbation and picking our noses in the same sentence? hahahahahahaha your post is seriously full of straw men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read. :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 This is one of the weirdest threads I've ever read. :huh: All of the props I got justify the thread's existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 How can someone be unable to spell an activity they clearly perform often and on a near professional level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) this whole thread is cray-cray but your post is hilarious. you're seriously putting masturbation and picking our noses in the same sentence? hahahahahahaha your post is seriously full of straw men. Lol, can we please make "picking our noses" the new "eating yogurt"? Edited March 8, 2014 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Lol, can we please make "picking our noses" the new "eating yogurt"? "You have reached your quota of positive votes for the day" ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southern california guy Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Lol, can we please make "picking our noses" the new "eating yogurt"? Can "eating yo gurt" lead to out of control sexual urges? :eek: Edited March 8, 2014 by southern california guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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