Eliakim Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Tried to create a poll on this question without luck. Is it official R C C dogma that one who dies in a state of unconfessed mortal sin always goes to hell for all eternity? Or is it just a teaching (not dogma) and so could be wrong? E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliakim Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 oh, I guess I did it right, or thank you to anyone that helped put it together. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Catholics don't even say Hitler is in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) No. Not unconfessed. Unrepentant. There's a big difference. You can be repentant without having gone to confession. Edited February 14, 2014 by Basilisa Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oremoose Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 No. Not unconfessed. Unrepentant. There's a big difference. You can be repentant without having gone to confession. Opps that is what I thought the question ment... Lesson leaned never drink and vote...EVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 The Church does not know the names of the human souls in hell. But she teaches what Christ taught her, confession, and confession to others is required to receive repentance, and repentance is required for salvation. I John 1:9; Matt. 3:6; Mark 1:5; Acts 19:18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) No. Not unconfessed. Unrepentant. There's a big difference. You can be repentant without having gone to confession.In an emergency yes, if one is close to death or is in danger of death and confession is not possible. I am sure you know that as well as other Catholics here. I am not so sure our new friend does however. While he may identify as Catholic, most Catholics don't use the acronym R C C in reference to the Church. (Then go out of their way to unfilter it from the pm fiddler, when it changes it to Catholic Church.) Edited February 14, 2014 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 In an emergency yes, if one is close to death or is in danger of death and confession is not possible. I am sure you know that as well as other Catholics here. I am not so sure our new friend does however. While he may identify as Catholic, most Catholics don't use the acronym R C C in reference to the Church. (Then go out of their way to unfilter it from the pm fiddler, when it changes it to Catholic Church.) There is of course the additional distinction between sins of grave matter committed without full culpability and those committed with it, but I'm sure as soon as we open that can of worms we'll start world war III. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 There is of course the additional distinction between sins of grave matter committed without full culpability and those committed with it, but I'm sure as soon as we open that can of worms we'll start world war III. ;) Yes I am sure it would, it may already be too late, by mere fact you cracked the can by bringing it up lol :) . Because ignorance neither saves nor condemns, and no one can go through life with complete ignorance of every grave wrong they commit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Yes I am sure it would, it may already be too late, by mere fact you cracked the can by bringing it up lol :) . Because ignorance neither saves nor condemns, and no one can go through life with complete ignorance of every grave wrong they commit. Not so fast, schmott guy. ;) Ignorance isn't the only factor that reduces culpability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 Not so fast, schmott guy. ;) Ignorance isn't the only factor that reduces culpability. True. However unless one is Christ or Mary we have all fallen short we have all transgressed. Whether that is compared to what the Church has taught us or the natural law written in the heart of every person by God. There is no way to reduce culpability to 0%, for every grave wrong, even after factoring in all other things that lessen culpability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 True. However unless one is Christ or Mary we have all fallen short we have all transgressed. Whether that is compared to what the Church has taught us or the natural law written in the heart of every person by God. There is no way to reduce culpability to 0%, for every grave wrong, even after factoring in all other things that lessen culpability. I didn't say there was a way to get it to 0%, but thanks for the clarification. Thankfully being 0% culpable for sins in our lifetime isn't necessary for our salvation, or we'd all be screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarysLittleFlower Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) If someone dies with mortal sin on their soul, the Church teaches they would be in hell. However, a person might be forgiven of this mortal sin before death (even right before death, a moment before even) - without Confession, under certain conditions. Of course, it's better to just go to Confession! and these special cases are not like if the person just doesn't want to confess - that shows unrepentance - unless right before death, they really repent of this too with much contrition. In the end God knows how it all works but - with Confession, there is a certainty. None of this is an excuse not to go to Confession though. The special cases are if a person can't go, etc. Or if they have no idea about it, and receive enough contrition, etc. If a person intends not to go thinking it doesn't matter, - that could be a rejection of the Sacrament, and unrepentance, or a rejection of the Church - in particular cases, God knows the person's soul, I'm just talking very generally. Edited February 14, 2014 by MarysLittleFlower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 14, 2014 Share Posted February 14, 2014 (edited) Thankfully being 0% culpable for sins in our lifetime isn't necessary for our salvation, or we'd all be screwed. My point exactly. Because whether we are blessed to have the Gospel to follow and/or the natural law we're never going to live up to either, we will fall at times. We may not know every wrong we commit is wrong but there will always be wrongs we know are wrong. So there is always a need for some type of admission/confession of wrongs committed and some kind of repentance of those wrongs if we hope to be saved. Edited February 14, 2014 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliakim Posted February 14, 2014 Author Share Posted February 14, 2014 I submit Ludwig Ott's "Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma" for consideration: p. 475: "Immediately after death the particular judgment takes place, in which by a Divine Sentence of Judgment, the eternal fate of the deceased person is decided." This statement of faith was labeled "Sent. Fidei Proxima", a theological ranking on a dogmatic scale. It means it is almost a statement of faith but not quite. Relatedly the Church can infallibly define moral issues, but not the penalties attached to denying Church teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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