Talithacum Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Has anyone else read this article? http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/pope-francis-the-times-they-are-a-changin-20140128 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 All I know is I heard a lot of it is made up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 ahhh so what is humility, friends? Is it humility in the clapping and cheering of the world and favorable rolling stone articles? Or is humility remaining silent in the face of sneering ridicule? There are two popes in the Vatican and one of them I know is a living saint. Two, perhaps. But one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 ahhh so what is humility, friends? Is it humility in the clapping and cheering of the world and favorable rolling stone articles? Or is humility remaining silent in the face of sneering ridicule? There are two popes in the Vatican and one of them I know is a living saint. Two, perhaps. But one for sure. My vote would be on Ratzinger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 um, yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 um, yeah. No, really, it would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatitude Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 We can't know things like that. :unsure: Only God knows. That's enough. It took me quite a while to warm to Pope Benedict, as I was one of the so-called 'JPII generation'. I embraced my faith passionately as a child, during John Paul's pontificate, and when he died I was grieving. I was sure I could never feel the same attachment to his successor. He was the only papa I'd known. I did warm to Pope Benedict over time. I read his theological writings and appreciated them. Some years later, I attended the beatification Mass for Cardinal John Henry Newman in Birmingham, presided over by Pope Benedict, and I was struck by his gentleness. He never has had the charisma of his predecessor, but he had his own gifts, and they were what the Church needed. Now Pope Francis is bringing his own talents to the papal ministry. I don't think it is fair to question his humility because he is popular. Being the centre of so much attention can be a difficult cross to carry in its own right. I also do not think he is so stupid as to not realise that some of this positive attention is fuelled by dislike of his predecessor. That has to sting, for both him and Benedict. I don't know if either of them is a living saint, but I pray that God will make them both so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What is charisma anyway? Seriously, I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) We can't know things like that. :unsure: Only God knows. That's enough. It took me quite a while to warm to Pope Benedict, as I was one of the so-called 'JPII generation'. I embraced my faith passionately as a child, during John Paul's pontificate, and when he died I was grieving. I was sure I could never feel the same attachment to his successor. He was the only papa I'd known. I did warm to Pope Benedict over time. I read his theological writings and appreciated them. Some years later, I attended the beatification Mass for Cardinal John Henry Newman in Birmingham, presided over by Pope Benedict, and I was struck by his gentleness. He never has had the charisma of his predecessor, but he had his own gifts, and they were what the Church needed. Now Pope Francis is bringing his own talents to the papal ministry. I don't think it is fair to question his humility because he is popular. Being the centre of so much attention can be a difficult cross to carry in its own right. I also do not think he is so stupid as to not realise that some of this positive attention is fuelled by dislike of his predecessor. That has to sting, for both him and Benedict. I don't know if either of them is a living saint, but I pray that God will make them both so. you are right, only God "knows." But count me "convinced." I don't mean to question Papa's humility. Only that, contrary to what rolling stone and the rest of the media say, humility is not in, for example, shoe choice. Blessed Teresa hated applause. When the world clapped for her she would remind herself it was from the devil. Edited January 29, 2014 by Lilllabettt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Pope Francis chooses to use his position in the spotlight to set a particular kind of example of a particular kind of humility, because that's who he is. Pope Emeritus Benedict retreated from the spotlight to set a particular kind of example of a particular kind of humility, because that's who he is. I know it might be surprising, but there's more than one way to be virtuous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 What is charisma anyway? Seriously, I am not sure. I mean, I know what it 'is', but what does it mean? On a deeper level, what is it?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Pope Francis chooses to use his position in the spotlight to set a particular kind of example of a particular kind of humility, because that's who he is. Pope Emeritus Benedict retreated from the spotlight to set a particular kind of example of a particular kind of humility, because that's who he is. I know it might be surprising, but there's more than one way to be virtuous. Heretic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I know it might be surprising, but there's more than one way to be virtuous. You don't say!!!???!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I mean, I know what it 'is', but what does it mean? On a deeper level, what is it?... I think it's something like woo (winning others over) http://businessjournal.gallup.com/content/721/woo.aspx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrysostom Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I stopped paying what little attention I did to Rolling Stone after it romanticized the Boston bomber on its front page. Speaking of charisma, it definitely doesn't have to be associated with either pride or humility. Consider St. Francis! So humble and so winsome. (: Edited January 29, 2014 by chrysostom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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