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[Julian]

Jullian, the doctor's didn't teach on Christ's life and add bits in.  They looked at history and what Christ taught and how it related to modern questions.  Theology developed from the Bible, not as an additional narritive.  Add-ons to Christ's life have always been condemned.

 

Certainly, there were much darker times for the Church than these past few decades.  Why would God change everything now?

 

No, there were no darker times. Modernism is the Greatest of all heresies, Apostasy is the greatest ever. Schismatic (Modernists) are more numerous than ever. So in this way God is calling them all back through Valtorta.

Modern confusion need the clarity of the Gospels explained in a more personal, vivid, and detailed description. All modern questions and confusions are clarified by Valtorta.

Even St. John said

John 21:25

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.

So God reserves the right to clarify if He wishes the Gospels as He did with Ven. Mary of Agreda and now in a more profound way with Valtorta.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Julian

[Nihil Obstat]

Julian, which is more important: the writings of Valtora, or the traditional liturgies of the Church?

[Oremoose]

For the more dull ones I say stop tempting me.
 

 

What is tempting you if you wish to be so Virtuous and bring us the Truth than type out the names here for us. 8 name cannot be hard to type. I would hope you would I have clicked you links and the web sites are very cluttered and semi-chaotic (I may just be a layout snob due to my studies in graphic and web design). So I could not find the names and I would really appreciate the names of these Bishops for my own research on the matter. thank you.

[blazeingstar]

Just click on the text it will enlarge. Scroll down to bottom of the page. http://maria-valtorta.net/

 

I don't want her webpage, I want you to put in some actual effort to this plea.

[Julian]

But you can tell others that it is?  That's because you are special, right?

 

 

I don't tell anyone what to do. I just posted links, testimonies and facts. I have a right to self defence and defense of Valtorta. If you think you are special and can post whatever you like and I can't post my proofs that is your special problem.

Edited January 21, 2014 by Julian

[PhuturePriest]

Julian isn't as fun as I thought he would be in real life.

 

[blazeingstar]

No, there were no darker times. Modernism is the Greatest of all heresies, Apostasy is the greatest ever. Schismatic (Modernists) are more numerous than ever. So in this way God is calling them all back through Valtorta.

Modern confusion need the clarity of the Gospels explained in a more personal, vivid, and detailed description. All modern questions and confusions are clarified by Valtorta.

Even St. John said

John 21:25

But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.

So God reserves the right to clarify if He wishes the Gospels as He did with Ven. Mary of Agreda and now in a more profound way with Valtorta.

 

 

How does John's words suggest that there should be more books?  Wouldn't it be wise of God to give us such books from the beginning.  Considering God had 4 books written it really wouldn't of hurt to write one more.

 

And Mary of Agreda wrote about the life of Mary, not Jesus.  Saints have been inspired devinly to write about many of our blessed and beloved like St. Anne and Jocam and even St. Paul.  However, there has NEVER been an approved book or writing that was about the actions and words of Jesus that is not in the bible.

[Julian]

Perhaps you should read this again:

 

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I even made the key word in big, bolded, underlined letters for you.

 

Condemned. Just like the Arian heresy. If your Bishop was an Arian, would you be one, too, simply because he was?

 

It is not condemned. It was condemned. Bishops approved it.

 

1966: Pope Paul VI abrogates the Index of Forbidden Books, effectively liberating the first edition of the Poem from the Holy Office’s censure.

June, 1966: Cardinal Ottaviani authors a letter declaring that “the Index retains its moral force, inasmuch as it warns the Christian conscience to be on guard, as the natural law itself requires, against those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals” [14] ¹⁴

[14] This statement by Cardinal Ottaviani seems to have been widely circulated by critics of Valtorta, who use it to effectively reinstate the Index. A few points should be noted; 1) The proper understanding of “moral force” is defined in the very next sentence, i.e., to be “on guard”. It is no longer a blanket act of condemnation -- It cannot be, since Saint Faustina’s diary was never removed from the Index, and yet we now celebrate Divine Mercy Sunday because of it. 2) The statement is further restricted to "those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals". Not every book on the Index fell into this category. The Poem itself was placed on the Index due to a legal principle--the lack of an Imprimatur--not because it was deemed to "endanger faith or good morals". No Bishop or Cardinal, in print, has ever found a single doctrincal error in the Poem. 3) If "moral force" really meant what critics of the Poem interpret it as, then one would expect the Vatican to make the Index readily available to the faithful to help protect souls from harm (and also discourage seeing such plays as Les Miserable, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc.). However, the Vatican has all but buried the Index--releasing its archives only to historians in 1998--and does not publically list its contents. 4) It should also be recalled that the first edition of the Poem was placed on the Index, whereas the second [substantially revised] edition was granted verbal permission to publish in 1962, according to the testimony of Fr. Berti.

[arfink]

Just read a few pages and then you'll know if it is from Christ and if it is about His Life.
 

 

Copy and paste. Use it. I know you can.

[blazeingstar]

I don't tell anyone what to do. I just posted links, testimonies and facts. I have a right to self defence and defense of Valtorta. If you think you are special and can post whatever you like and I can't post my proofs that is your special problem.

 

 

1) Phatmass has had incredible patience with you.  If you were on Catholic Answers or any other Christian message board you would of been banned by now.

 

2) By inferring that we, as (mostly) practing Catholics are liars and evildooers you ARE telling us what to do.  You are telling us we are sinning and must repent in our ways.

 

3) If you'd spent more than 10 minutes here before you spammed the heck out of a thread you yourself started, you'd notice how things go.  You make a thread, you state 2-3 facts then we get back to you with our questions

 

4) There are other people who have been around for a while who act like you do.  They generally post when drunk and say that all media is a sin.  They have "proof" too.  However, much like Catherine's Husband their proof is something that's logical only to them.  Correlation dosn't equil causition.

[PhuturePriest]

It is not condemned. It was condemned. Bishops approved it.

 

1966: Pope Paul VI abrogates the Index of Forbidden Books, effectively liberating the first edition of the Poem from the Holy Office’s censure.

June, 1966: Cardinal Ottaviani authors a letter declaring that “the Index retains its moral force, inasmuch as it warns the Christian conscience to be on guard, as the natural law itself requires, against those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals” [14] ¹⁴

[14] This statement by Cardinal Ottaviani seems to have been widely circulated by critics of Valtorta, who use it to effectively reinstate the Index. A few points should be noted; 1) The proper understanding of “moral force” is defined in the very next sentence, i.e., to be “on guard”. It is no longer a blanket act of condemnation -- It cannot be, since Saint Faustina’s diary was never removed from the Index, and yet we now celebrate Divine Mercy Sunday because of it. 2) The statement is further restricted to "those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals". Not every book on the Index fell into this category. The Poem itself was placed on the Index due to a legal principle--the lack of an Imprimatur--not because it was deemed to "endanger faith or good morals". No Bishop or Cardinal, in print, has ever found a single doctrincal error in the Poem. 3) If "moral force" really meant what critics of the Poem interpret it as, then one would expect the Vatican to make the Index readily available to the faithful to help protect souls from harm (and also discourage seeing such plays as Les Miserable, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc.). However, the Vatican has all but buried the Index--releasing its archives only to historians in 1998--and does not publically list its contents. 4) It should also be recalled that the first edition of the Poem was placed on the Index, whereas the second [substantially revised] edition was granted verbal permission to publish in 1962, according to the testimony of Fr. Berti.

 

Bishops can't un-condemn something the Pope condemned. The Church is not a democracy. #Fact

[NotreDame]

I don't tell anyone what to do. I just posted links, testimonies and facts. I have a right to self defence and defense of Valtorta. If you think you are special and can post whatever you like and I can't post my proofs that is your special problem.

 

No, you don't have a right to defend Valtorta as inspired if the Church has said it is not so.  Doing so (which I believe you are doing) is disobedient. 

[Basilisa Marie]

Blech, it doesn't even matter. The 8 bishops are just people who are writing thank you letters after someone sent them a letter about the thing. Anyone can do it, and almost everyone gets a thank you letter back. It's not a serious endorsement. 

[Julian]

Julian, which is more important: the writings of Valtora, or the traditional liturgies of the Church?

 

Well obviously, the Traditional liturgies of the Church but it has been destroyed by the modernists. Jesus is condeming modernists in Valtorta's writtings.

 

Just to conclude, got to go. Give to each one his due!
 

[blazeingstar]

It is not condemned. It was condemned. Bishops approved it.

 

1966: Pope Paul VI abrogates the Index of Forbidden Books, effectively liberating the first edition of the Poem from the Holy Office’s censure.

June, 1966: Cardinal Ottaviani authors a letter declaring that “the Index retains its moral force, inasmuch as it warns the Christian conscience to be on guard, as the natural law itself requires, against those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals” [14] ¹⁴

[14] This statement by Cardinal Ottaviani seems to have been widely circulated by critics of Valtorta, who use it to effectively reinstate the Index. A few points should be noted; 1) The proper understanding of “moral force” is defined in the very next sentence, i.e., to be “on guard”. It is no longer a blanket act of condemnation -- It cannot be, since Saint Faustina’s diary was never removed from the Index, and yet we now celebrate Divine Mercy Sunday because of it. 2) The statement is further restricted to "those writings which can endanger the faith or good morals". Not every book on the Index fell into this category. The Poem itself was placed on the Index due to a legal principle--the lack of an Imprimatur--not because it was deemed to "endanger faith or good morals". No Bishop or Cardinal, in print, has ever found a single doctrincal error in the Poem. 3) If "moral force" really meant what critics of the Poem interpret it as, then one would expect the Vatican to make the Index readily available to the faithful to help protect souls from harm (and also discourage seeing such plays as Les Miserable, the Hunchback of Notre Dame, etc.). However, the Vatican has all but buried the Index--releasing its archives only to historians in 1998--and does not publically list its contents. 4) It should also be recalled that the first edition of the Poem was placed on the Index, whereas the second [substantially revised] edition was granted verbal permission to publish in 1962, according to the testimony of Fr. Berti.

 

But those are strawmen.  It's like saying that because one priest was falsely accused of sexual abuse all priests who are accused are falsely accused when we know well and good that there are MANY abusive priests.

 

Just beucase there are good writings that have been condemned (and were never removed) does not mean that all writing that was condemned fall into that category.  This argment builds its case on the fact that there were some cases that were unfair or harsh, but no where does it give an argument besides the word of "Fr. Berti" that the poem was allowed to be published.  

 

Being published, however, still dosn't give approval of it's message, only that the church did not pass judgment on it at that time.