666. Understanding The Nature Of The Beast.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Greetings bretheren, sypathiesers and others. May the love of christ teach you in all truth.

 

So i posted this on the what am i thinking ditty on the main board and thought it appropriate to be discussed. And please believe i am not trying to force people to believe what i believe just wanting to discuss things that i may to better understand all truth. So here 'tis. 

 

So i was thinking. sometimes,half the time, most of the time, whatever the number, the offended becomes the offender. This is the nature of the beast, understand this and we have half a chance at healing the perpetrators, whatever the crime and/or sin or breaking of commandment. And the offended could have simply witnessed something seriously wrong. Combine that understanding with the love of Christ and the chance of healing increases.

 

I'm not talking about wrongly accused , i'm talking about ofended becoming the offender to some degree or another in all manner of sins, the crimes the offended commit don't even have to be the same crime commited against them or one they have witnessed whether over and over again or so traumatising a crime, once.

 

This doesn't excuse the crime though, i'm not trying to excuse sin, just to understand it.

 

So feel free to discuss this please, and give your understanding of why people sin and how you understand why people sin. There are no wrong answers in the sense that we are just having a discussion in Jesus name seeking the truth and searching for the right answer.

 

 

 

St Paul " 666 is the number of the anti christ, and all you have to do is understand the nature of the beast."

O.T. " all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

 

Onward Christian souls.

 

God is Good.

 

Jesus iz LORD.

 

 

 

[BarbTherese]

Hi again Tab

My thoughts............

 

I think the nature of the beast is that it is a liar and the father of liars.

 

John Ch7 "[44] You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and he stood not in the truth; because truth is not in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof. [45] But if I say the truth, you believe me not."

 

 

We are all sinners without exception.  We all fall very far short of the Glory of God to some degree or other.

 

Romans Ch3 "[10] As it is written: There is not any man just.

[11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. [12] All have turned out of the way; they are become unprofitable together: there is none that doth good, there is not so much as one.

 

 

Re participation in the sin of another:

 

 

We are guilty of sins which we ourselves do not commit when we cooperate with another person's sins.

 

1. We share in another's sin: (a) by counsel; (b) by command; (c) by consent; (d) by provocation; (e) by praise or flattery; (f) by silence; (g) by assistance; (h) by defense or concealment; and (i) by not punishing the evil done.

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   Thus rulers, legislative leaders, parents, employers, teachers, superiors, owners of shows and theatres, editors, publishers, and others in a position of responsibility, may easily render themselves guilty of the sins of others. One who is to blame for another's sin is as guilty as if he had committed the sin himself. http://www.catholicbook.com/AgredaCD/MyCatholicFaith/mcfc021.htm

    

 

 

I think we might participate in the sin of another through giving bad example too (this might come under "counsel" in 1. above).  We may or may not know the evil that has resulted from our bad example.

 

Why do we sin? - sometimes due to our own folly and fault (Grace is always abundant not to sin and to resist temptation), sometimes through giving in to some temptation or other whatever the source of that temptation.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2014 by BarbaraTherese

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I think Romans chp 13 = Man can only do something truly Good with the grace of God, not that man can't do good with God in the name of Jesus Christ. 

Edited January 20, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Is simply reciting scripture or church dogma understanding the nature of the beast? No pun intended. I just wan't to understand and i know all the scriptures you have recited and i know the church doctrine on sin but holy scripture pretty much says knowledge is not enough. Well it isn't for me anyway but thankyou for your input and i believe in holy scripture and church doctrine, if you understand the nature of the beast just on these than i think that is fabulous and blessed for you. I need something more from personal experience and how we have come to understand through this experience and yes of course the churches experience and scriptural reference which you have given and thankyou for that.

 

 

Edited January 20, 2014 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

actually don't listen to what i just said unsure why i said it, that seemed rude to me and i'm very grateful for you input. 

[PhuturePriest]

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[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

your message box is full barb so i have to post this here. Yet another public apology. :( but aye, alleluia.

 

May the peace of christ be with you aunty Barb.  :)

 

Sorry for my rudeness in the 666 thread. I fell into a hanous sin the other day and my charity has been effected horribly, i guess until i can get to confession on saturday evening. Time heals also and am a bit better today and haven't fallen again through prayer and the grace of God. Get this i had a premenission that when i went to a.a after i had sinned someone was going to say " you really look at peace" and someone actually said " you look really relaxed." I planned on saying " there is a difference between the darkness and the light." but forgot to say it.  :( Though there may be peace in the darkness it is thick and heavy an oppresive peace for me where as the peace in the light is exactly that, light and lifting. So sin reduces charity and am sorry that you had to experience that lack of charity but hopefully it won't happen again, and if it does i have enough grace to control my tounge. You didn't do anything wrong though my ego kicked in and demanded that the thread go the direction i wanted it to go in, sorry for that. Please forgive me.

 

God is Good.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I was thinking the nature of the beast is two natures, absolute justice or tyranny, so like cameras everywhere and microchips in everyone and any time you scratch your nose you get an electric shock from the microchip because the cameras can see you from the satellites, and scratching your nose is bad because it is a health hazard to yourself and the public and least of all a bad habit that needs to be quashed. So sin is defeated but so is the nature of man created free in the image and likeness of God. 

 

And on the other side of the devils coin is absolute mercy or anything goes, no rules, no morals, absolute freedom. And i will let you use your imagination as to where that goes.

[BarbTherese]

Don't be at all concerned, Tab - not one bit. :)  Since I suffer Bipolar Disorder and the second of the two major mental illnesses, I know well and truly what putting a wrong foot is and saying or doing something entirely out of character.  Bipolar is like that.  During a Bipolar episode one thinks, talks and acts entirely out of one's norm or thus it was for me.  As soon as I had early warning signs of a Bipolar episode, I would hightail it to my doctor and hope that I could get there in time before anything too dramatic occurred.  My spiritual director at that time told me that the priest and the psychiatrist work together - in that Father would recognize when it was time to speak to my doctor rather than him - and my doctor knew when something was not her domain and for my spiritual director.    And Father too would pray for me and my doctor and I prayed for him.  I was truly blest all round!!!

 

We are all saints somewhere or other In our makeup and we are all sinners somewhere or other in our makeup too. We are human, faulted and fallible - we can make mistakes big and small! 

 

Going over to empty my Message Box - thanks for the nudge.

 

Be in Peace, Tab! :).......................Aunty Barb :cheers:

Edited January 21, 2014 by BarbaraTherese

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I'm going to post this here since the everything catholic thread has been shut down and it probably has to do with the nature of the beast anyway. julian posted a supposed quote from a saint and i say supposed because not that julians a fraud but his source may be iffy and also i must also understand that the holy saints and even doctors of the church could be wrong at times but never to deliberately be mis leading the faithful and also can not explain themselves and what they believe in there entirety with such a short time here on earth, or even in a few books or even many and also like all of us put out random things sometimes they forget to explain fully in a book or simply can't because the fullness of what has been revealed to them is yet to be revealed. As i think saint thomas aquinas said something like " what i knew than is straw compared to what i know now." 

 

I can't remember who the saint was but if you read julians post you may remember this quote earlier on in the piece, it said something like this " those whom are close to God are tempted and those far from God need not be tempted for they are already belonging to the devil." I have to disagree with this or perhaps not disagree but illuminate, i think those whom are prey to the devil still get tempted also but they don't suffer temptation because they give into it very quickly and don't battle with it for they have not the armour of GOD! This is what i think the saint meant.

 

But also this is my simplicity, draw a horizontal line on a piece of paper and write devil on one side of the line and God on the other side. You will see obviously that the closer you are to God than the further away from the devil you are. Perhaps we all start in the middle of that line and overtime we move closer to the devil or to God and of course sometimes we take a couple of steps backwards only hopefully to make a few steps forward after realising our descent. The only exception i can see in holy scripture of when the devil gets complete hold over someone whom is truly close to God and that was Job, unsure why God allowed this to happen perhaps to prove to the world that once you have been so close to God that not even the very devil can utterly destroy you, but of course where not all called to the Job thing and this is not the norm and nor should we hope to be although we should hope that if called we will be ready.

 

These are just my thoughts and perhaps wonky and hopefully in line with the nature of the beast and illuminating for someone somewhere somehow. Any good i do comes from God for his glory not my own.

 

God is Good.

 

Onward christian souls.

 

Jesus is LORD.

[Julian]

Greetings bretheren, sypathiesers and others. May the love of christ teach you in all truth.

 

So i posted this on the what am i thinking ditty on the main board and thought it appropriate to be discussed. And please believe i am not trying to force people to believe what i believe just wanting to discuss things that i may to better understand all truth. So here 'tis. 

 

So i was thinking. sometimes,half the time, most of the time, whatever the number, the offended becomes the offender. This is the nature of the beast, understand this and we have half a chance at healing the perpetrators, whatever the crime and/or sin or breaking of commandment. And the offended could have simply witnessed something seriously wrong. Combine that understanding with the love of Christ and the chance of healing increases.

 

I'm not talking about wrongly accused , i'm talking about ofended becoming the offender to some degree or another in all manner of sins, the crimes the offended commit don't even have to be the same crime commited against them or one they have witnessed whether over and over again or so traumatising a crime, once.

 

This doesn't excuse the crime though, i'm not trying to excuse sin, just to understand it.

 

So feel free to discuss this please, and give your understanding of why people sin and how you understand why people sin. There are no wrong answers in the sense that we are just having a discussion in Jesus name seeking the truth and searching for the right answer.

 

 

 

St Paul " 666 is the number of the anti christ, and all you have to do is understand the nature of the beast."

O.T. " all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."

 

Onward Christian souls.

 

God is Good.

 

Jesus iz LORD.

 

Enemies of God and salvation: the world, the flesh and the devil.

Beastly, having ferocious appetite for evil.

 

Satan is the Beast, demons are his slaves. The world and its ideologies and opinions are in his service. The flesh, concupiscence and our sinful tendencies allies to the Beast.

Mark in the hand or forehead is sin in action and thought.

666 is barcode which is used for tracking and control; it simply represents and stands for totalitarian state (tracks and controls everything) which is in the service of the Beast, New World Order. Or it could be the Communist/Socialist states in power which is most of the world.

 

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Those who have accepted the mark (sin) of the Beast, are opposed to twelve fruits of the Holy Spirit? In the service of the beast will be the new moral standards opposed to Christian philosophy and morality. So the members of these socialist or totalitarian states will be marked by a visible signs which oppose Christian morality. Read what Catholic Church teaches http://catholicguidance.blogspot.ca/2012/02/good-books-on-moral-theology.html and meditated on how most people think. They are marked. They are rebellious; they will not subject to not only sexual morality but almost everything moral. Non serviam God, me serviam flesh, world and the devil kind of thinking.

 

2 Timothy 3
Evil in the Last Days
1 Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times. 2 Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked, 3Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness, 4 Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God: 5 Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid. 6 For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires: 7 Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Mambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no farther; for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as theirs also was.

 

Edited January 23, 2014 by Julian

[CatherineM]

Actually the 666 is a misprint. The original translation is 616.

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

On a lighter note, "The ScrewTape Letters" by C.S. Lewis is an easy read that underneath contains some fundamental wisdom about the way the devil works to influence and prey on the weaknesses of ordinary people.

[Vitamin]