Republicans And The Environment

[Eilish]

All evidence if you follow conservative politics points to climate change denial, scathingly. I live in what was gorgeous Colorado as a youth; now, having returned at 60, I'm surrounded by fracking and all its consequences. Polluted wells abound. I met a woman who had experienced serious rheumatoid arthritis symptoms for a couple of years, was diagnosed, then read it might be the water from the well on their farm near a drill site. Started buying bottled water and a year later she's no longer crippled and symptoms are gradually lessening. Titters are down in tests.

Effects are noticeable all around.

[HisChildForever]

Miles, you can always register as a Republican to have a vote in the primaries but identify as a conservative if asked. That's what I do anyway.

[mortify ii]

The difference between "parties" is superficial. I agree with Noam Chomsky when he says that we really have a one party system with two factions, both of which ultimately advance the interests of those at the top of the pyramid (and no, that's not the president and his cabinet.) The only reason the Republicans have the support they do is that they tout the abortion issue. They dangle it over our heads just high enough so that it's out of our reach, but they always encourage us to continue voting them in, because if we do so they'll be able to undermine the license to abort. The truth is abortion is never going to go away, it's too useful for our politico-social apparatus and if it did Catholics would go back to doing what they did in the past, voting in democrats (how else did the New Deal get passed if not with the Church's support?) I say stop feeding the machine, abstain from politics, and form strong networks of serious believing Catholic families. Let the dead tend to the dead.

[NotreDame]

It's dangerous to become partisan, but that doesn't mean we should cease being objective.

[ardillacid]

I don't know know why you keep brining in Pharma.  Yes, the large pharma companies also leverage their economic power for rent seeking and instituting policies that are deleterious to the general welfare.

 

Pretty much just to annoy Claire since she works for a different evil empire than I. 

[ardillacid]

Its not not an either/or.  Large energy companies have wrought immense ecological destruction on the developing world and parts of the developed world.  

 

Just the large ones? 

 

Comparing the damage done in places like Nigeria to the United States is a stretch. 

[ardillacid]

All evidence if you follow conservative politics points to climate change denial, scathingly. I live in what was gorgeous Colorado as a youth; now, having returned at 60, I'm surrounded by fracking and all its consequences. Polluted wells abound. I met a woman who had experienced serious rheumatoid arthritis symptoms for a couple of years, was diagnosed, then read it might be the water from the well on their farm near a drill site. Started buying bottled water and a year later she's no longer crippled and symptoms are gradually lessening. Titters are down in tests.

Effects are noticeable all around.

 

Oh boy :rolleyes:

[PhuturePriest]

It might be important to note Pope Benedict XVI stressed very much the need to start taking care of the planet and its wildlife, and that God gave us a mission to care for it and all His creations in it.

[NotreDame]

It might be important to note Pope Benedict XVI stressed very much the need to start taking care of the planet and its wildlife, and that God gave us a mission to care for it and all His creations in it.

 

Who on this thread is saying otherwise? 

[PhuturePriest]

Who on this thread is saying otherwise?

It just seems to me that a lot of republicans (No one on this thread) portray an attitude that capitalism is more important than earth and wildlife. I've seen a lot of eye-rolling by republicans at people who protest companies and chain themselves to trees so they can't cut them down. The point of this thread is the big question: Why? Why do a sizeable amount of republicans put capitalism and companies in higher esteem than the planet itself? It boggles my mind, and I can't understand it. Hopefully someone can enlighten me.

[NotreDame]

It just seems to me that a lot of republicans (No one on this thread) portray an attitude that capitalism is more important than earth and wildlife. I've seen a lot of eye-rolling by republicans at people who protest companies and chain themselves to trees so they can't cut them down. The point of this thread is the big question: Why? Why do a sizeable amount of republicans put capitalism and companies in higher esteem than the planet itself? It boggles my mind, and I can't understand it. Hopefully someone can enlighten me.

 

>>> It just seems to me that a lot of republicans (No one on this thread) portray an attitude that capitalism is more important than earth and wildlife

 

This is certainly what the MSM wants you to think.

 

>>> I've seen a lot of eye-rolling by republicans at people who protest companies and chain themselves to trees so they can't cut them down.
 

Reasons for the eye-rolling will vary on a case to case basis.  In general, see my earlier post, re. most of these environmentalists are just socialists.

 

>>> Why? Why do a size-able amount of republicans put capitalism and companies in higher esteem than the planet itself?

 

Capitalism is a term popularized by socialists and marxists.  I won't say it's meaningless, but it's very imprecise.  It communicates little to me.  Moving on...

 

If you instead were more precise you would say something like "why do some people put the free-market in higher esteem than the planet?"   That's a little to me like saying "Why do some people put a healthy diet and exercise in higher esteem than a healthy body?"   in the same way a healthy diet and exercise are the best way to keep a body healthy, a free-market, generally speaking, is the best way to protect the planet. 

 

In general, it's better to take each item on an objective case by case basis because the economics (which is a broad term including "the planet") will vary...  Most "Environmentalists" are just marxist ideologues that won't do that.  As a result many people in general (not just republicans) will have a knee-jerk reaction against anything promoted by "environmentalists."  This is unfortunate. 

 

Here is a blog I follow with a post on just this topic here.

[CrossCuT]

I am sure a huge reason why a lot of republicans in congress or other positions of authority dont  "believe" in global warming and/or are against conservation etc are because they are receiving $$$ from companies who would not benefit from a greener world. So they are paid to speak out against new technology that would reduce our dependence on oil etc.

 

And unfortunately, the republican identified citizens who dont know any better follow their heroes in office on these stances. Their heroes have neither the authority or knowledge to decide if a natural phenomena is occurring or not so its very depressing that they (and the main stream media) are deluding people to think that this is not a problem.

 

Although I do think its becoming less of a problem. We just need to redirect money into research and technology that will bring us new innovative ideas for reducing our dependence on oil etc. And even if there isnt a 100% fix, there will be lots of small fixes that can add up over time. Not only that but discovery and exploration are AWESOME AND FUN!!! New things are not bad and scary.

Edited January 13, 2014 by CrossCuT

[PhuturePriest]

>>> It just seems to me that a lot of republicans (No one on this thread) portray an attitude that capitalism is more important than earth and wildlife

 

This is certainly what the MSM wants you to think.

 

>>> I've seen a lot of eye-rolling by republicans at people who protest companies and chain themselves to trees so they can't cut them down.
 

Reasons for the eye-rolling will vary on a case to case basis.  In general, see my earlier post, re. most of these environmentalists are just socialists.

 

>>> Why? Why do a size-able amount of republicans put capitalism and companies in higher esteem than the planet itself?

 

Capitalism is a term popularized by socialists and marxists.  I won't say it's meaningless, but it's very imprecise.  It communicates little to me.  Moving on...

 

If you instead were more precise you would say something like "why do some people put the free-market in higher esteem than the planet?"   That's a little to me like saying "Why do some people put a healthy diet and exercise in higher esteem than a healthy body?"   in the same way a healthy diet and exercise are the best way to keep a body healthy, a free-market, generally speaking, is the best way to protect the planet. 

 

In general, it's better to take each item on an objective case by case basis because the economics (which is a broad term including "the planet") will vary...  Most "Environmentalists" are just marxist ideologues that won't do that.  As a result many people in general (not just republicans) will have a knee-jerk reaction against anything promoted by "environmentalists."  This is unfortunate. 

 

Here is a blog I follow with a post on just this topic here.

 

Here's an issue with what you said: It is completely possible to have another economic system that works. Is the free market the easiest to accomplish this? Many say so. But it's not the only economic system that could work perfectly. Our free market is incredibly screwed up.

[NotreDame]

I am sure a huge reason why a lot of republicans in congress or other positions of authority dont  "believe" in global warming and/or are against conservation etc are because they are receiving $$$ from companies who would not benefit from a greener world. So they are paid to speak out against new technology that would reduce our dependence on oil etc.

 

And unfortunately, the republican identified citizens who dont know any better follow their heroes in office on these stances. Their heroes have neither the authority or knowledge to decide if a natural phenomena is occurring or not so its very depressing that they (and the main stream media) are deluding people to think that this is not a problem.

 

Although I do think its becoming less of a problem. We just need to redirect money into research and technology that will bring us new innovative ideas for reducing our dependence on oil etc. And even if there isnt a 100% fix, there will be lots of small fixes that can add up over time. Not only that but discovery and exploration are amesome AND FUN!!! New things are not bad and scary.

 

republicans bad and stupid!  Take evil money from bad companies.  We need clean energy! 
 

[CrossCuT]

Here's an issue with what you said: It is completely possible to have another economic system that works. Is the free market the easiest to accomplish this? Many say so. But it's not the only economic system that could work perfectly. Our free market is incredibly screwed up.

Every system has its pros and cons and EVERY system can be exploited. The blatant worship of Free Market does not make it the alpha and omega. In a perfect world any system can work however the free market is exploited as much as any other would be as well. 

 

republicans bad and stupid!  Take evil money from bad companies.  We need clean energy! 
 

Im not saying that democrats or Obama are innocent. Obama put the same bankers back into power who screwed us over during the housing bubble. He is just as money hungry as anyone else so he isnt immune to big $$$ if it is waved in front of him. Sigh, and thats why all of congress and political authority is stupid. Its no long "What can I do to represent the people" now it is "This is what I think (for now) so vote for me."