CrossCuT Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 so those survivors, they survive for some reason right? Are they stronger then their buddies, and are they still viable to reproduce? If so then I would postulate that it's not sanitization per se but the rate at which we are using the stuff. Kind of like forcing evolution at a faster rate. Again I don't know these thing, just playing armchair scientist. Washing and bathing . . . well it's really to feel clean, get rid of dead skin, and remove any physical filth from your body. Maybe there's some bacteria killing going on too :) Humans have been stepping on ants for a very long time, how come ants havent develped an immunity to being stepped on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 But ice9, showering isnt that good for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Humans have been stepping on ants for a very long time, how come ants havent develped an immunity to being stepped on? Thats a horrible analogy. Ants survive (like bacteria) survive by sheer numbers, and by numbers "and deaths to crushing" is not a big issue to them. That's like saying humans should be immune to lightning strikes. The problem with eviscerating all bacteria is the assumption that all bacteria is bad. We are learning that it is not so. Even immune-compromised people need good bacteria to keep them healthy. We should be scared of chemicals, like alcohol, that kill off everything because the healthy bacteria may actually be keeping us healthy and may be more fragile than the bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thats a horrible analogy. Ants survive (like bacteria) survive by sheer numbers, and by numbers "and deaths to crushing" is not a big issue to them. That's like saying humans should be immune to lightning strikes. The problem with eviscerating all bacteria is the assumption that all bacteria is bad. We are learning that it is not so. Even immune-compromised people need good bacteria to keep them healthy. We should be scared of chemicals, like alcohol, that kill off everything because the healthy bacteria may actually be keeping us healthy and may be more fragile than the bad. Using hand santitizer on your hands in a reasonable amount is not going to destroy your natural flora. Most of your beneficial bacteria is in your gut anyway and not on your hands. Most bacteria on your skin do no benefit you in any way in their actual function but merely in their presence as they compete for resources against more harmful bacteria. And besides, youre not rubbing hand sanitizer all over your body are you Blazey? Putting in on your hands with neither create super bugs OR destroy your natural flora. Hand sanitizer is a wonderful tool for combating the spread of disease but is still only second to hand washing. Hand washing with soap is the #1 but hand santiizer is a good complement. Also, the amount of natural flora on the compromised has nothing to do with why they are compromised and it is not a significant form of protection by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I wish I didnt even have to explain the differences between antibiotics and alcohol. The internet is a vast place of wonder information if you use your noggin to search reputable sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Using hand santitizer on your hands in a reasonable amount is not going to destroy your natural flora. Most of your beneficial bacteria is in your gut anyway and not on your hands. Most bacteria on your skin do no benefit you in any way in their actual function but merely in their presence as they compete for resources against more harmful bacteria. And besides, youre not rubbing hand sanitizer all over your body are you Blazey? Putting in on your hands with neither create super bugs OR destroy your natural flora. Hand sanitizer is a wonderful tool for combating the spread of disease but is still only second to hand washing. Hand washing with soap is the #1 but hand santiizer is a good complement. Also, the amount of natural flora on the compromised has nothing to do with why they are compromised and it is not a significant form of protection by any means. The problem is that it IS NOT used reasobly any more. Using it before and after mass and during mass, the way they place it in every nook and cranny in schools, encourage people to have it in their purse, etc. The whole "reputable sites" is highly offensive. Sorry, just because people have the conglomerates hand up their hinies dosn't make it ok. People loved asbestos for many years, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Is there like some epidemic breaking out because of hand sanitizers? Do you have an ultra secreat science news magazine you read?? Like I dont even know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Is there like some epidemic breaking out because of hand sanitizers? Do you have an ultra secreat science news magazine you read?? Like I dont even know Epidemic now, no, but what we do now has future consequences. We've only been hand-sanitzer crazy for the past 5-8 years if that. Too small to know the ill consequences of it but I believe we are seeing some. CNN http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/health/hand-sanitizer-toxic-upwave/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Thank you for that article that has nothing to do with superbugs or immnocompromised people.... lets break it down Word on the street has it that despite how clean your hands feel after using a hand sanitizer, they're actually still dirty When it comes to safety and effectiveness, the main concern with hand sanitizers is triclosan, which is the main antibacterial ingredient in nonalcoholic hand sanitizers. Key Word: TRICLOSAN! And guess what it? It is NOT alcohol. It is an antibiotic which is in NON ALCOHOLIC hand sanitizers. Which are just as stupid as any consumer product containing antibiotics. Completely 100% unnecessary and bad because ANTIBIOTICS contribute to bacterial resistance. Also, this medical professional says ALCOHOL based hand santizers are totes fine. Alcohol-based sanitizers, on the other hand, are fairly effective and safe. "Hand sanitizers that are 60% alcohol are good at killing bacterial pathogens," says Bowen. Read the things you post in your defense Blazey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgnatiusofLoyola Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 :deadhorse: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I read this cracked article that said showering only redistributes bacteria to other parts of your body. Take that, CrossFit CrossCut. As long as my hair looks fabulous, I don't care if I've redistributed the bacteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Hand sanitizer is overused. It's more dangerous than it is helpful. Wash your hands and teach your kids not to put their fingers in their mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I dont see how it is dangerous unless you bathe in it daily, but I do agree that its best not to allow children to use it in case they put it in their mouth. But for an intelligent adult there is no harm...the alcohol evaporates quickly and as long as you dont purchase or use the sanitizer with antibiotics in it things will be peachy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Here is something that defends what Crosscut is saying... Facts about Alcohol-Based Hand Sanitizers, Superbugs and Germ Resistance: Interview with GOJO Research Fellow and Microbiologist Dave Macinga, Ph.D. Q. Does using alcohol-based hand sanitizers create “super germs†(germs resistant to anti-bacterials)? A. No, this is a misperception. Using alcohol-based hand sanitizer does not create super bugs or contribute to the spread of antibiotic resistant bacteria, as the overuse of antibiotics does. The active ingredient in most hand sanitizers is ethyl alcohol which acts in a completely different manner than antibiotics. Alcohol kills germs within seconds by physically destroying the cell membrane and denaturing proteins within the bacteria. Because of the rapidness of the killing and the physical nature by which it acts, there is no mechanism by which the germs can become resistant to it. Furthermore, because alcohol evaporates from the hands within seconds the bacteria are never exposed to low levels of alcohol so there is no opportunity for adaptation to it. According to the National Institutes of Health, the best strategy for combating the spread of drug-resistant bacteria is for everyone to keep their hands clean.Continue reading... Here is something to just drive Crosscut bonkers... Flu Shot is Bad... M'Kay? :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) Beware of triclosan. It's the WORST thing you can use on your skin. Some studies have shown that it alters cell function and disrupts hormones. I hate triclosan and always carry alcohol hand sanitizer with me so I am not forced to use antibacterial soap. Antibacterial soap is like antibiotics for your skin - it kills both bad AND good germs. Hence, your immunity is lowered. The last article is about hand sanitizers containing triclosan. The article states that sanitizer containing alcohol is effective and safe to use. http://www.medicaldaily.com/fda-reviews-antibacterial-hand-soap-why-triclosan-bad-you-and-planet-245474 http://www.mnn.com/health/healthy-spaces/blogs/more-bad-news-about-triclosan http://www.cbsnews.com/news/does-antibacterial-soap-cause-more-harm-than-good-fda-to-decide-after-four-decades/ http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/16/health/hand-sanitizer-toxic-upwave/ Edited January 6, 2014 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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