Defeating " No Uterus, No Opinion"

[Cherie]

Where devout Catholics are concerned, this information does not change anything, however from a social perspective when considering protecting life, this seemingly small detail is significant. I agree that if there is a chance that this even happens once in every 1 million cases, I would still be against it! (well, Im against it anyway regardless lol)

 

Well, I think it does change something where devout Catholics are concerned, as in the example of the couple needing to use oral contraceptive pill for therapeutic reasons. I know two devout Catholic couples who had to do this (though reluctantly), and they asked advice from priests, both of whom advised total abstinence for the duration they'd be on the Pill, in order to avoid a possible abortion. So in that regard, it DOES have some implications where devout Catholics are concerned.

 

[CrossCuT]

Well, I think it does change something where devout Catholics are concerned, as in the example of the couple needing to use oral contraceptive pill for therapeutic reasons. I know two devout Catholic couples who had to do this (though reluctantly), and they asked advice from priests, both of whom advised total abstinence for the duration they'd be on the Pill, in order to avoid a possible abortion. So in that regard, it DOES have some implications where devout Catholics are concerned.

 

 

Ah, I do see your point.

I hope that more studies can be done on this in order to quell fears, but as it stands, leading scientists and shown that the concern is not as probably as we were once lead to believe. 

And like I said, the labels may still have the statement on there however researchers have said that since it is not a supported claim it should not be there.

[Basilisa Marie]

I've noticed a lot of people don't care about philosophy, FP. In these cases practical examples seem to succeed more often, at least in my experience. Talking about how reality directly contradicts what they're saying, and stuff. 

 

And you do have a right to know if the Church is "sexist and oppressive." You're a member of the Church!  But these people you're talking to sound like they've got no interest in actually discussing the issues or even fixing them. They're happier complaining about it and having their ideas reinforced.  There's little point in even bothering with it. 

[PhuturePriest]

I've noticed a lot of people don't care about philosophy, FP. In these cases practical examples seem to succeed more often, at least in my experience. Talking about how reality directly contradicts what they're saying, and stuff. 

 

And you do have a right to know if the Church is "sexist and oppressive." You're a member of the Church!  But these people you're talking to sound like they've got no interest in actually discussing the issues or even fixing them. They're happier complaining about it and having their ideas reinforced.  There's little point in even bothering with it. 

 

My friend I made at the seminary said "Next time you talk to them and they start bashing the Church" -- He was really mad that they were saying bad things about the Church -- "say 'Are you a practicing Catholic? If you're not a practicing Catholic, you can't have opinions on the Church.'" It was so ingenious, and I really wish he had been with me on the debate. :P

 

And yeah, they absolutely cared nothing about philosophy. It sucks, because you can't debate important issues without it! It's very clear that they hated philosophy by the fact they were relativists, though. Nobody who has made more than two deep thoughts in their life can honestly label themselves as relativists. Relativism is a lazy philosophy for people that don't want to spend time learning the truth about things. Chris Stefanick said "Relativism is literally the most stupid and widespread philosophy in the history of the world.", and I don't think he's too off the mark. However, the good news is it's so easy to defeat that it becomes quite enjoyable to debate relativists. :P

[NotreDame]

FP, give me your definition of "relativism"

[PhuturePriest]

FP, give me your definition of "relativism"

 

Relativism: The philosophical belief that nothing scientifically verifiable is absolutely true, except for the sentence that nothing scientifically verifiable is absolutely true.

 

Example: "Yeah, Jesus is God for you, and abortion is wrong for you, but Zeus is God for other people, and abortion is good for them." Nothing is absolutely bad or good; it's all (Key word) relative to each person. Nothing except things like 2 + 2 = 4 and the moon existing is absolutely true, everything else is just a personal opinion and belief. Everything moral is true to different people, but at the same time, nothing moral is absolutely true.

 

"Relativism is the greatest problem of our time." - Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

Edited December 20, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[NotreDame]

Thanks.  Just checking.

[PhuturePriest]

Thanks.  Just checking.

 

I have an entire book by Chris Stefanick about it. :P I've also seen several talks by him about it.

[NotreDame]

This is for you FP

 

http://www.stpeterslist.com/11759/60-philosophy-memes-for-you-lovers-of-wisdom/

 

[Didacus]

Well, from what I can see, to make or not to make a baby should take the consent of both parties as both parties are required to make a new life in the first place.

Can the woman decide to get pregnant even if the man objects?  If they reply yes, then I would say there is no point in debating such stupidity.  If they reply no, in theory the debate should be over.

[tinytherese]

To quote from a Truth and Charity blogpost

 

"You might be illogical if...

 

You think people who respect a woman’s natural fertility are fighting a 'war on women.' "

 

http://truthandcharity.net/you-might-be-illogical-if/

[TheLordsSouljah]

I have been in many debates, but last night I got into my very first contraception debate. The phrase "No uterus, no opinion" was thrown at me. It's the most ridiculous statement, but I want to know how to carefully and articulately destroy this line of reasoning.

As a woman too I feel like it's a pretty pathetic attempt that says 'you can never understand because you can't empathize'.

 

Saying 'no uterus, no opinion' is kinda like saying that just because you are not a poor person struggling to make a living off child sex trafficking it means you have no right to speak up for the abused children. That just because you don't understand their financial problems that you shouldn't but in. There are other ways for both parties to be happy peoples! Slavery was once legal and now abortion is, it doesn't mean that what is legal is right.

[4588686]

Relativism: The philosophical belief that nothing scientifically verifiable is absolutely true, except for the sentence that nothing scientifically verifiable is absolutely true.

 

Example: "Yeah, Jesus is God for you, and abortion is wrong for you, but Zeus is God for other people, and abortion is good for them." Nothing is absolutely bad or good; it's all (Key word) relative to each person. Nothing except things like 2 + 2 = 4 and the moon existing is absolutely true, everything else is just a personal opinion and belief. Everything moral is true to different people, but at the same time, nothing moral is absolutely true.

 

"Relativism is the greatest problem of our time." - Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI

 

 

I think ink you're conflating moral relativism and logical positivism.