PhuturePriest Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I have been in many debates, but last night I got into my very first contraception debate. The phrase "No uterus, no opinion" was thrown at me. It's the most ridiculous statement, but I want to know how to carefully and articulately destroy this line of reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 As a woman, I see absolutely NO value in this statement. It takes two to make a baby so why should the woman get the final say when the father was involved in conception (unless the woman had artificial insemination which is already morally wrong)? :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Care to provide a little more context? How are we supposed to help you destroy a line of reasoning when we don't know what that reasoning is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) I think a lot of it has to do with where are these girls coming from and what their personal beliefs are. As a woman, I see absolutely NO value in this statement. It takes two to make a baby so why should the woman get the final say when the father was involved in conception (unless the woman had artificial insemination which is already morally wrong)? :rolleyes: Sure it takes two to tango, but the idea behind birth control is not to make babies...so men are irrelevant. And the way our culture operates in relationships now isnt just about two people wanting to make babies...babies dont really have anything to do with it. Its just about the sex. Women dont need a males opinion because they have already made up their own minds. BUT from a Catholic perspective when two married adults are considering children, THEN the man should definitely have a say. But it all depends on where these girls are at, what their circumstances are, and what they believe personally. Edited December 17, 2013 by CrossCuT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlySunshine Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 (edited) nvm. :) Edited December 17, 2013 by MaterMisericordiae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Years Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I would ask why having a uterus is required in order to have an opinion on contraception. That's like saying that only children should have an opinion about sweetened breakfast cereal. Or that only gun owners should have an opinion about gun laws (well that's pretty much the case). It's like saying only illegal aliens should have an opinion on immigration, or only teachers should have an opinion on school curriculum. Ask her if women who have had hysterectomies can still opine on contraceptive issues. That should get her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 We moved past this, unfortunately, but keep 'em coming, people. I've never debated birth control before and I was kind of clueless for a little while. I'd like to be more prepared next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 How about you came from a uterus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 No sperm, no say on where it can and can't go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 The most aggressive of the ladies has now identified herself as a relativist. I am incredibly excited. My forte is debating philosophy, and my favorite philosophy to annihilate is relativism because it's so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 As long as they told pro-contraception men "no uterus, no opinion" when they voiced their support, it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 18, 2013 Author Share Posted December 18, 2013 Care to provide a little more context? How are we supposed to help you destroy a line of reasoning when we don't know what that reasoning is? The line of reasoning is "I'm a girl and you're a boy, so you can't have opinions on abortion or contraception. No uterus, no opinion." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 You could extrapolate that line of reasoning to say if they did not wear a "collar", they had no right to comment when priests commit pedophilia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 What aspect of birth control? Legality? Morality? Who pays for it (ie. Obamacare)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 The line of reasoning is "I'm a girl and you're a boy, so you can't have opinions on abortion or contraception. No uterus, no opinion." While the two are thrown together they are 2 diffent arguments. Abortion relates to Men and the dignaty of life Contraception is hormonal....my goodness...there are men who may already be rendered infertile by the amount of contraceptives in drinking water...it totally affects you. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-105466/Fertility-timebomb-drinking-water.html People have debated that there is a human contribution...but it's clear contraceptives either in humans or animals are causing horrible consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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