HisChildForever Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Very briefly, from a very short skim I just did, I can say this in a very disorganized fashion: It is well established within the realm of Church-approved private prophecy that there will be a Minor Chastisement that may, under some conditions, lead to a major schism within the Catholic Church. Could be an antipope involved. Hard to say, but there are many approved prophecies which offer possible details. The minor chastisement is said to end with a sort of major victory for the Church, led by a very holy secular leader, some kind of 'Great King' bringing in an age of peace. A sort of new renaissance of Catholicism. A saintly pope is also elected around this time. The final event of the minor chastisement is typically described as three days of darkness, and we are well within the scope of Church-approved prophesies to believe that this is a real event. There are well-established alternative possibilities that allow for the minor chastisement to be largely averted through the prayers and penance of the Church. The age of peace is very conditional, but it ends as the prosperity causes people to become lax in the faith.This Catholic renaissance ends as a false prophet, as a mocking type of St. John the Baptist, 'prepares' the world for the literal Antichrist. The Catholic influence over the world crumbles at this point. Antichrist then gains great power and uses it to persecute the Church. Enoch and Elias return to preach to the gentiles and Jews, and are murdered by Antichrist, then commanded by God to rise up again. They do so, scoring a victory against Antichrist who is then defeated by St. Michael as Antichrist attempts to replicate Christ's ascension from Mt. Olivet. After the death of Antichrist there is some amount of time during which things return to normal, preparing the world for Christ's return, of which of course we do not know the day or the hour. I have to ask...if everything just returns back to normal, what exactly is the point of everything that happens between this chastisement and death of antichrist? Why not just Christ's Second Coming without all that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Catholic_Church Huh, I did not know about those people. You learn something new everyday. "The Palmarian liturgy was reduced to almost solely the Eucharistic words of consecration. The See of El Palmar de Troya has also declared the Real Presence of the Virgin Mary in the sacred host" :crazy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 As I understand it, he was used to a very different environment. One might say more academic. I think he came here expecting an environment in which rude treatment was not considered acceptable. Speculation on my part. I think I heard it from someone who knew him better than me. I was one of his biggest fans on this site though. :hehe: I should have been clearer that I wasn't questioning his reasons for leaving. I was just reflecting on, given the different styles of CA vs PM, I'd take the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 We may be nearer to the endtimes than were the Apostles, but we are not 'near' in the sense of a few more years, or even a few more decades. At this point there is no way to determine how 'near' we in fact are. We will be able to make some general estimates when certain things start happening, none of which have begun to happen. Well I hope you're right Nihil but I can't help but see the state of the Church as it is right now and find parallel's to our Lord's life, or even parallels to Jerusalem in those final days. We are heading towards very interesting times, to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I have to ask...if everything just returns back to normal, what exactly is the point of everything that happens between this chastisement and death of antichrist? Why not just Christ's Second Coming without all that? According to what I read it is a fairly short time. Presumably just to offer a breather for everyone to make their final choices, and get baptised, get a confession in, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotreDame Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Huh, I did not know about those people. You learn something new everyday. "The Palmarian liturgy was reduced to almost solely the Eucharistic words of consecration. The See of El Palmar de Troya has also declared the Real Presence of the Virgin Mary in the sacred host" :crazy: Yeah, and it started innocently enough with the guy "seeing apparitions", which is when he picked up his following. Then later he broke off on his own and many of those sadly followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Well I hope you're right Nihil but I can't help but see the state of the Church as it is right now and find parallel's to our Lord's life, or even parallels to Jerusalem in those final days. We are heading towards very interesting times, to say the least. Certainly interesting. But with many years still ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This guy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmarian_Catholic_Church That guy looks awesome. I would accept his Facebook friend request if he sent me one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 He reminds me of the sultan from Aladdin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I should have been clearer that I wasn't questioning his reasons for leaving. I was just reflecting on, given the different styles of CA vs PM, I'd take the latter. It's quite honestly a miracle I was never banned on CA. I got several warnings (One of them because I stated I got a warning -- albeit it not in a spiteful or rude way), but then I shortly after came on here and people sort of made it their mission to whip me into shape. It's astounding I've only ever gotten one official warning on here, and that was because a meme I posted had the F word in it. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 :shock: how DARE you mention you got a warning!! I must warn you for that! just kidding, here at phatmass we like to have whole threads where people brag about all their warnings lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eliakim Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Excellent response Nihil Obstat, and thanks for vocalizing your understanding that questions like these are ok, even important since many private prosphesies seem to "go there" too. I'll have to check out that book you suggested to dig deeper. I just don't believe we should stick our head in the sand. We have to face uncomfortable questions at times. I'm sure Dante got a lot of flack from "loyalty at all costs" Catholic types. There will always be this type of individual. Many have wormed to moderator positions at CA. Ok, enough venting about little CA "moderators". Yes, I agree with Iveinfo that it is better to be in a forum with rude people than one where moderators are banning people for asking uncomfortable or tough questions. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. HisChildforever, Eat some more food. To your question: I think that's just the way God allows free will to unfold, while allowing all parties involved an opportunity to express their true desires and show their true colors. The question of "why" is harder than the one I'm asking, I'd say. So we have guys like Dante peeking behind the curtain and exposing filth. We need another catholic Dante today. Yeah he'll get flack from libertine catholics and loyalty-to-institution-at-all-cost types, but my guess is the state of things is so bad that many in all levels of the hierarchy have become compromised. Someone needs to take a flashlight to all these cockroaches. So yeah, that's why I'm willing to entertain the idea that the Vatican may one day go apostate, but the body of believers will not be conquered by hades. One poster said it's not ok to speculate if it means the hierarchy will go apostate. I disagree, because I never said all hierarchy, just enough to turn the ship to let a blasphemer steal time in the chair of St. Peter before Christ comes back to wreck shop. Remember even ancient Israel went apostate...and man, to say that back then really angered their loyalty-at-all-costs types. Being aware of this may help the true catholics from being misled if/when that day does come. Be vigilant, ready to move into action if it goes down like that, but don't become obsessed with it. Pray for wisdom and peace in the meantime. Anyway I appreciate the discussion. Thanks for the many good replies. E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Doesn't the whore of babylon get cast into the ocean in the book of the apocalypse? And does that mean she is being washed and made clean? And the whore of babylon has mystery stamped on her forehead, i don't think anyone will know what or who she is or when she will come or if she is already here, because it's a mystery right? Jesus is LORD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 (edited) Well I hope you're right Nihil but I can't help but see the state of the Church as it is right now and find parallel's to our Lord's life, or even parallels to Jerusalem in those final days. We are heading towards very interesting times, to say the least. Are you laying your judgement on the holy roman catholic church of the united states of america or the holy roman catholic church world wide. And the church was recognised to have fallen asleep by the magesterium in hinesite at approximately 1911 i think it was, it was said in deus caritas est i think, or was it veritas splendor, both encyclical letters. God only knows how many times the holy roman catholic church has fallen asleep in the past 2000 odd years and for how long each time, it is like the apostles in the garden of getsemany, seems world war 1 and 2 came and we fell asleep in the agony or something like that and i'm no prophet nore am i really that smart, but perhaps. But rest asured she is awakening from her slumber and will rise up AGAIN! Onward christian souls. JESUS is LORD. P.s. And the state of some individuals in the holy catholic church in my dioceas seems to be a little hickelty picklety to me ( and i say to me i honestly don't know) but not un repairable in faith with hope and love in JESUS NAME. Amen. Some, half or most, i don't know. We should go fishing, help the lost sheep home( those in the church and those lapsed.) and welcome the prodigal, when the oppurtunities arise with grace in the holy spirit of God almighty , that's all i know. Edited December 13, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mortify ii Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Certainly interesting. But with many years still ahead. Such confidence is overtly presumptuous ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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