Talk About Liturgical Abuse...

[HisChildForever]

I'm still wondering if this was planned or just a one-off.

 

Were they not advertising mass until he volunteered?   If they weren't planning a mass, then all of a sudden decided to have one once they discovered the illustrious bishop was on board, then the cruise line probably need a heads up about this guy and how he fooled the crew into announcing a "catholic mass", but it probably ends there.

 

However, if they were advertising mass all along, then something very fishy is going on.  If they regularly have mass on 9 day cruises, then they must work with a diocese or order to schedule priests (or a deacon for communion service, perhaps, with appropriate permission.)  In this case, there would probably have been a Church-approved representative on the boat.  So where was that person during mass?  Were they duped as well?  Did they willingly go along?  Were they tied up below deck?  

 

Anyways, I'm sorry you had to go through that.  I'm sure it wasn't very pleasant. 

 

I'm positive that it was impromptu. Based on the handwriting at that message board, it was him who answered the "will there be Mass this Sunday?" questions. I'll send the line an E-mail later today about it :) When I thought he was legit I was wondering who the heck in the Church do I contact about this lol

 

Kudos for trying to get to mass while on what was probably a total dream vacation!!  I remember trying to do that on an Alaskan cruise and it was darn tempting to skip it

 

Well, to add Mass to the total dream vacation would just make it a super dream, no? ;) But yes, I was a bit pissy that it was being held so early, and you can imagine my irritation as I trudged back to my room. So -- Alaskan cruise!!! That's in my future. Tell me about your experience! What line did you go on, how long was the trip, what excursions (if any) did you do, how was the wildlife, and the weather?

[Not The Philosopher]

It was a paradise vacation. Everything about it was amazing (besides faux Mass lol). I highly suggest a cruise vacation but ALSO stress the importance of doing a lot of research before you go.

 

I just really don't like the idea of being unnecessarily confined to a boat for long periods of time.

[HisChildForever]

I just really don't like the idea of being unnecessarily confined to a boat for long periods of time.

 

I get that -- but cruise ships are more like floating hotels or palaces. Half the time I forgot I was on a ship and I'm completely serious. Plus you have your sailing days (the amount depends on the length of your trip) and your dock days. For my trip, I had 2 sailing days, 4 dock days in a row, then 2 sailing days, and then the last day we arrived back home in the early AM.

[Ed Normile]

I was listening to local talk radio host Bill Cunningham on 700 WLW in Cincinnati Ohio when he said " At the top of the hour we have a newly ordained female catholic priest. Rev Debra Meyers. I had to listen, the woman came on and talked about her calling from God to be a priest. Then in answer to his question " Does Pope Francis, or ArchBishop Dennis Schnurr or Bishop Joseph Binzer recognizes her priesthood" she answered " No, not those three particular people, but lets be honest when one in three young women are raped or abused by men they just do not feel comfortable going to confession or receiving communion from a male priest and that's why God personally called me to my ministry in defiance of the outdated views of the catholic church hierarchy". <- close to the exact quote...  She said all women are welcome to attend her Roman Catholic Mass and Communion at the Our Lady of Peace Old Catholic church in Covington KY., just across the river from Cincy, which is Orthodox, not Greek Orthodox.

 

She went on to talk about her first marriage to a jewish man and her present marriage to a "devout catholic man" who is the father of her children and is ok with her priesthood. She added how she was able to get remarried as her first marriage in the church was not to a catholic and she needed no annulment ? The Host Bill Cunningham during every show raves on how he is a devout catholic naming the local catholic schools and college he graduated from yet he attacks the church on a public radio show and his nationally syndicated television show on things like the recent scandals, ordaining male priests, accepting homosexual marriages allowing priests to be married as "they would be straight and have less tendency to fulfill their sexual needs" etc. Where did the catholic schools go wrong on this man's formation? 

 

In all fairness he ended with " I will pray for you that you are not condemned to burn in hell for your priesthood"  ???

 

Just had to vent.

 

ed

Edited November 24, 2013 by Ed Normile

[AnneLine]

:doh: :cry4: :pray:  :beg:

Edited November 24, 2013 by AnneLine

[Basilisa Marie]

People who go on and on about their "credentials" probably don't measure up to those credentials to begin with. Their work would speak for itself. 

[CrossCuT]

Its probably not a very appropriate reaction, but this story made me laugh!

What a crazy experience! 

[TheresaThoma]

As far as who to contact I would contact first the cruise line itself and then either the bishop for the port city or the bishop for where the cruise line is headquartered. I'm sure that the actual bishop would be very interested in a random person passing themselves off as a bishop.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

cruise ships stink of excess money to spend, to be expected i guess something like that happening where big money is the ruling factor. 

Virgin airlines grand opening in Australia had girls dressed up as nuns and if i remember correctly with wedding garners under there fake habits, i don't really like wedding garners really anyway, a bunch of flowers is heaps better.

Edited November 25, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Jaime]

 Tell me about your experience! What line did you go on, how long was the trip, what excursions (if any) did you do, how was the wildlife, and the weather?

 

Alaska was amazing!  We did Princess Cruise and did the 14 days. 7 interior traveling by bus and trains then 7 on the ocean.  I wasn't so much a fan of the interior cruise because you have to pack every night for the bus or train.  But you can't get to Denali on the ocean.  We went salmon fishing, whale watching, saw rescue sled dogs, nature hikes through the rainforests, glaciers calving etc.    Totally worth it.  You cannot take  a bad picture in Alaska!

 

The priest that did mass for us drove 300 miles one way to celebrate. He did this every Sunday.  He would celebrate in his home town then start driving. 

[Slappo]

 

The priest that did mass for us drove 300 miles one way to celebrate. He did this every Sunday.  He would celebrate in his home town then start driving. 

 

That's Alaska for you! One of the priests in our diocese does Saturday night or Sunday morning mass at one parish and takes a ferry or small airplane to the next parish. On nice days sometimes he'll kayak there.

 

 

 

 

If the cassock was all black with no purple sash that would be a dead giveaway the guy's a fake

[Gabriela]

I was listening to local talk radio host Bill Cunningham on 700 WLW in Cincinnati Ohio when he said " At the top of the hour we have a newly ordained female catholic priest. Rev Debra Meyers. I had to listen, the woman came on and talked about her calling from God to be a priest. Then in answer to his question " Does Pope Francis, or ArchBishop Dennis Schnurr or Bishop Joseph Binzer recognizes her priesthood" she answered " No, not those three particular people, but lets be honest when one in three young women are raped or abused by men they just do not feel comfortable going to confession or receiving communion from a male priest and that's why God personally called me to my ministry in defiance of the outdated views of the catholic church hierarchy". <- close to the exact quote...  She said all women are welcome to attend her Roman Catholic Mass and Communion at the Our Lady of Peace Old Catholic church in Covington KY., just across the river from Cincy, which is Orthodox, not Greek Orthodox.

 

She went on to talk about her first marriage to a jewish man and her present marriage to a "devout catholic man" who is the father of her children and is ok with her priesthood. She added how she was able to get remarried as her first marriage in the church was not to a catholic and she needed no annulment ? The Host Bill Cunningham during every show raves on how he is a devout catholic naming the local catholic schools and college he graduated from yet he attacks the church on a public radio show and his nationally syndicated television show on things like the recent scandals, ordaining male priests, accepting homosexual marriages allowing priests to be married as "they would be straight and have less tendency to fulfill their sexual needs" etc. Where did the catholic schools go wrong on this man's formation? 

 

In all fairness he ended with " I will pray for you that you are not condemned to burn in hell for your priesthood"  ???

 

Just had to vent.

 

ed

 

My turn to vent:

 

Everyone in my department knows I'm a Catholic, because I had to announce that I go to Mass every day to get schedule accommodations. Apparently, though, they don't connect "daily Mass" with "faithful to the Church". Instead, they think "Catholic in academia" and assume I must be a liberal. It doesn't help, I'm sure, that I'm female and my Master's thesis was on nuns. So I must be a feminist, right? There is actually a communication scholar who did some nun research and concluded that "Communities of Benedictine sisters use communication practices to organize in a manner consistent with their spiritual foundations. In doing so, they simultaneously create points of conflict with the larger Roman Catholic Church, and provide outlets for the negotiation of that conflict." (Hoffman, 2007, p. 188). I'm sure St. Benedict is real proud of their "consistency with their spiritual foundations".

 

Needless to say, I am not like Hoffman. I recruited strictly from the CMSWR and reviewed every community I sent a participation letter to for my thesis and ruled out all of the non-habited ones.

 

But my colleagues seem to assume that I am like Hoffman, so every time someone in my department reads an article online about how the Pope is two seconds away from approving homosexual marriage or a bunch of women "priests" just got ordained somewhere, they come tell me about it, all excited, urging me to look for the story. The latest one was an NPR story about how some Catholic school completely overhauled its curriculum to be 100% in accordance with feminist pedagogy. I had no idea what to say, so I just let the elevator door close. Thankfully, the person happily reporting the subjection of an entire school of innocent Catholic children to the outrage of feminism was on the other side of it.

 

I'm never sure how to react to these people. Half of me wants to say, "I'm one of the bad, judgmental, intolerant Catholics. Get away from me." The other half of me just wants to cry. They relate these stories in a tone that suggests they think I'm "ethnically Catholic" (I don't dance, sing, or drink—how ethnically Catholic am I?), unable to wrench myself loose from the clutches of the Church on account of my family's generations-long attachment to it (I converted last year), and as if they're just joyful messengers of the news of my deeply liberal soul's longed-for, inevitable liberation from Her "outdated", "intolerant", "arbitrary" rules (PUKE).

 

 

How should I explain to them when all I want them to do is leave me alone...?

Edited November 26, 2013 by curiousing

[NotreDame]

Don't tell 'em you aren't liberal as long as you need them for a grade/job/reference.  At most, say you don't pay attention to the "political" stuff.   That it's a very "personal" thing to you.

Edited November 26, 2013 by NotreDame

[PhuturePriest]

My turn to vent:

 

Everyone in my department knows I'm a Catholic, because I had to announce that I go to Mass every day to get schedule accommodations. Apparently, though, they don't connect "daily Mass" with "faithful to the Church". Instead, they think "Catholic in academia" and assume I must be a liberal. It doesn't help, I'm sure, that I'm female and my Master's thesis was on nuns. So I must be a feminist, right? There is actually a communication scholar who did some nun research and concluded that "Communities of Benedictine sisters use communication practices to organize in a manner consistent with their spiritual foundations. In doing so, they simultaneously create points of conflict with the larger Roman Catholic Church, and provide outlets for the negotiation of that conflict." (Hoffman, 2007, p. 188). I'm sure St. Benedict is real proud of their "consistency with their spiritual foundations".

 

Needless to say, I am not like Hoffman. I recruited strictly from the CMSWR and reviewed every community I sent a participation letter to for my thesis and ruled out all of the non-habited ones.

 

But my colleagues seem to assume that I am like Hoffman, so every time someone in my department reads an article online about how the Pope is two seconds away from approving homosexual marriage or a bunch of women "priests" just got ordained somewhere, they come tell me about it, all excited, urging me to look for the story. The latest one was an NPR story about how some Catholic school completely overhauled its curriculum to be 100% in accordance with feminist pedagogy. I had no idea what to say, so I just let the elevator door close. Thankfully, the person happily reporting the subjection of an entire school of innocent Catholic children to the outrage of feminism was on the other side of it.

 

I'm never sure how to react to these people. Half of me wants to say, "I'm one of the bad, judgmental, intolerant Catholics. Get away from me." The other half of me just wants to cry. They relate these stories in a tone that suggests they think I'm "ethnically Catholic" (I don't dance, sing, or drink—how ethnically Catholic am I?), unable to wrench myself loose from the clutches of the Church on account of my family's generations-long attachment to it (I converted last year), and as if they're just joyful messengers of the news of my deeply liberal soul's longed-for, inevitable liberation from Her "outdated", "intolerant", "arbitrary" rules (PUKE).

 

 

How should I explain to them when all I want them to do is leave me alone...?

 

I'm an inexperienced young person, but what I would do is tell them the truth. Tell them you're a faithful Catholic that loves all those "outdated" things and ideas. Watch their eyes bulge out in shock and engage in conversation with them. Be careful, because you don't want to lose your job over it, but Catholics are called to "Go forth and preach the Gospel." That's our very mission statement from Jesus Christ himself, and it involves every aspect of your life -- including your work environment. If I worked at an office and all the guys made dirty jokes about girls, you better believe I would tell them I'm Catholic and to stop. You would be amazed at just how effective that really is. Don't be afraid and stand up for your beliefs. People assuming you're a dissenting Catholic is an attack on your character and your faith, and you need to set the record straight.

[Seven77]

 was a Carnival cruise? get it?