Swim Suit Competitions

[Lilllabettt]

Lastly, I happen to personally know three women who participate in beauty contests; some happen to have a swim suit event, some do not.  Therefore I think I can speak with some authority when I say you are making broad judgments about the character of people about whom you know nothing.  If you liken the competition to pornography or prostitution then you liken the participants as porn-stars and prostitutes, and that is the real problem I have with your argument.  These are two completely separate things: one is intrinsically evil, and the other is only 'evil' on a case-by-case basis.

I make no judgment of the particular character of women involved in beauty pageants, neither do I judge porn stars or prostitutes, since their conscience is their business and not mine. A woman who exposes her body so that she may profit from the approbation of onlookers is a stripper. I do not judge strippers either.

Most women who participate in beauty pageants give little thought to what they symbolize about how society treats women. Ignorance is their excuse.

But a woman who participates in a swimsuit competition ignorant of the fact that people will be staring at her exposed body and ranking it among other similarly exposed females is a woman who is 1. unaccountably naive and/or 2. in desperate need of moral formation. Edited November 23, 2013 by Lilllabettt

[SaintOfVirtue]

I make no judgment of the particular character of women involved in beauty pageants, neither do I judge porn stars or prostitutes, since their conscience is their business and not mine. A woman who exposes her body so that she may profit from the approbation of onlookers is a stripper. I do not judge strippers either.

 

Because categorizing a woman who participates in a beauty competition as being on the same moral level as a porn-star isn't passing judgement on them at all.

Edited November 23, 2013 by SaintOfVirtue

[Lilllabettt]

Because categorizing a woman who participates in a beauty competition as being on the same moral level as a porn-star isn't passing judgement on them at all.

no. I do not assign a "moral level" to porn stars or beauty pageant contestants. Good grief.
I also do not "categorize" women. We categorize things, never people.
Categorizing women is an act of misogyny. Hey. Do you know of any activities where women are systematically categorized?

[SaintOfVirtue]

no. I do not assign a "moral level" to porn stars or beauty pageant contestants. Good grief.

Apparently, you don't remember writing this:
 

But a woman who participates in a swimsuit competition ignorant of the fact that people will be staring at her exposed body and ranking it among other similarly exposed females is a woman who is 1. unaccountably naive and/or 2. in desperate need of moral formation.

 

I also do not "categorize" women. We categorize things, never people.
Categorizing women is an act of misogyny. Hey. Do you know of any activities where women are systematically categorized?

 

Actually you do, you just don't realize it.  So far in this discussion you have categorized beauty contestants as ignorant, naive, immoral, and any person who 'categorizes women' as a misogynist.

Edited November 23, 2013 by SaintOfVirtue

[Lilllabettt]

So far in this discussion you have categorized beauty contestants as ignorant, naive, immoral, and any person who 'categorizes women' as a misogynist.

:facepalm:

[SaintOfVirtue]

:owned:

[HisChildForever]

Because categorizing a woman who participates in a beauty competition as being on the same moral level as a porn-star isn't passing judgement on them at all.

 

I think the focus is more on the beauty pageant than the women who participate in them. Let me make a rough comparison. A lot of women adore Planned Parenthood because they think the organization is all about women power and freedom. But underneath that shiny promise we see darkness, pain, tragedy, sexism, objectification. Likewise, the beauty pageant, take Miss America, is a happy, American tradition. But beneath that is this message or undercurrent that Lilllabettt is referring to -- that the Stepford Wife is the real American woman.

Edited November 24, 2013 by HisChildForever

[SaintOfVirtue]

I was arguing two things: 1. the analogy comparing beauty pageants and the women who participate in them to porn and prostitutes/strippers was gratuitous and extreme.  2.  beauty pageants are not intrinsically evil; it doesn't matter if it's a swim suit or a ballroom gown.

 

I still think that to say it promotes the Stepford Wife view of women is inaccurate, but, all things considered, that is a much more reasonable analogy.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

There is not a similar tradition for men. No one had the idea to have a contest to see which man could do those things best.

 

 

 

There will be men on my cat walk, and it is about finding out what swimwear would best suit any particular person and there will be one piece swimwear available. It won't be a competition, although this thread was about swimwear competitions so i am hijacking my own thread. :LOL: Perhaps there will be voting though just on nothing in particular just whom the crowd chooses.

 

 

 

P.S. all profits beyond wages including my own will go to charitable organisations and a scholastic fund for each winner of each competition although i don't wan't it to be a competition but it could be, i just wan't a beach catwalk, but not like those fancy smancy french catwalks which are impractical clothing although i won't shy away from allowing a some designer swimwear, even swimwear with bling, but the main stay will be ordinary swim wear, and the beachwalk will be sponsered by swimwear companies.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 damm it. 

 

 

Don't say that please, it is immodest, and i'm being honest. No pun intended.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Gay men watch swim suit competitions? I thought stuff like that and beauty contests were for women only. I guess I could see maybe a transvestite man watching one for fashion tips like a woman might, but what reason would any man gay or straight have to watch a swim suit competition?

 

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Perhaps the man and his girlfriend or wife are making a decision on which swimwear would best suit him or her. :) But i fully get your point and it hit me like a good slap in the face from a good women, gracious thanks. But than also single men are supposed to look at single women, and single women are supposed to look at single men, and i'm not talking lustfully. But to add to my BRAIN WAVE swimsuit beachwalk thingy, there will be no married women or men on the beachwalk, this is singles only to avoid the whole lusting for a married person.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I REBUKE MY IDEA, ALL BRAIN SIZES WELCOME. NOW IT TRUELY IS A BRAIN WAVE. :wave:

[Slappo]

Swimsuit competitions are not porn in the same way that lust is not adultery.

[Slappo]

I was arguing two things: 1. the analogy comparing beauty pageants and the women who participate in them to porn and prostitutes/strippers was gratuitous and extreme. 

In the same way Jesus linking lust in the heart and adultery is "gratuitous and extreme"?

[PhuturePriest]

First of all, I do not watch any swim suit competitions, nor do I go to the beach with the express purpose of ogling women.

 

I believe the spectators of swim suit competitions are, demographically, more female than male because I honestly cannot think of a single guy who would rather watch Miss America than the ball game.  And what would you know about most men who watch beauty pageants anyways? Do you know so many of them that you were able to poll them on the issue or are you just making presumptions?

 

Lastly, I happen to personally know three women who participate in beauty contests; some happen to have a swim suit event, some do not.  Therefore I think I can speak with some authority when I say you are making broad judgments about the character of people about whom you know nothing.  If you liken the competition to pornography or prostitution then you liken the participants as porn-stars and prostitutes, and that is the real problem I have with your argument.  These are two completely separate things: one is intrinsically evil, and the other is only 'evil' on a case-by-case basis. 

 

 

 

Now on that ground I would concede. 
Is it worldly? Yes. 
Is it mostly vain? Probably.
But is it pornographic? Definitely not.

 

Pornography means something like "the drawing of the harlot" (Terribly paraphrased, but very similar wording). In that sense, I suppose movies and online pornography isn't really pornography, because those are videos, not pictures and drawings.