Rick Santorum And Traditional Catholicism

[Anastasia13]

I saw this article, http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.com/2012/01/santorum-attends-novus-ordo-in-latin.html that mentioned Rick Santorum attending the Novus Ordo in Latin. How does that compare to the Traditional Latin Mass that Trads attend?

[NotreDame]

For you as an orthodox, the way I'd think about the difference between the Novus Ordo (NO) and the Extraordinary Form (EF) is that they are about as different from each other as the NO would be from the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom.  

 

So in this case, just like I could go down the street and attend an NO mass in either Spanish or English on any given sunday, this would simply be an NO mass using Latin. 

 

I'd imagine the mass would also be done Ad Orientum, or facing the altar rather than turned around facing the people, but that's just a guess.

 

I'm sure others on the board would have more info on the differenes between the NO and EF.  I went to an EF once and had no idea what was going on. 

 

[NotreDame]

And I'll just add that none of my traddie friends have ever mentioned anything about wanting an NO said in Latin.  I don't think Latin, per se, is at the top of the list of things that make them prefer the EF over the NO. 

[Basilisa Marie]

I saw this article, http://thepathlesstaken7.blogspot.com/2012/01/santorum-attends-novus-ordo-in-latin.html that mentioned Rick Santorum attending the Novus Ordo in Latin. How does that compare to the Traditional Latin Mass that Trads attend?

 

I think it's usually just the Novus Ordo with some/most of the "mass parts" in Latin. My home parish does a Novus Ordo with Latin mass parts for one mass, so we do the Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Mortem Tuum, Agnus Dei, Pater Noster (I think that's all of them) in Latin.  Otherwise it's exactly the same as the Novus Ordo.  

 

The TLM is almost entirely in Latin and has more/different prayers and prayer postures and such. 

[NotreDame]

My home parish does a Novus Ordo with Latin mass parts for one mass, so we do the Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Mortem Tuum, Agnus Dei, Pater Noster (I think that's all of them) in Latin.  Otherwise it's exactly the same as the Novus Ordo.  

 

I've also been in various NO masses where we've sung the latin portions that you mention and I really enjoy it and prefer it to English.   I wonder, are those tones/melodies taken from the EF? 

[Basilisa Marie]

I've also been in various NO masses where we've sung the latin portions that you mention and I really enjoy it and prefer it to English.   I wonder, are those tones/melodies taken from the EF? 

 

I don't know, I doubt it.  We use stuff from out hymnal (St. Michael Hymnal, in case anyone cares) and pick from a couple of different mass settings. Unless it's a common melody or something.  

 

I know right? I prefer it too.  I like singing Latin - they even have it in chant notation. :)  It's extra great because it's the 11:30am mass, so I get to sleep in AND have Latin! My parish always used to do the Agnus Dei, Sanctus, and Mortem Tuum in Latin for Lent and Advent, so it's funny when those parts come up because everyone suddenly realizes they can sing.  :hehe2:   That's probably also why our settings are a bit hodge-podge; they wanted to keep some of the tunes that people already knew. 

[arfink]

As far as I'm aware, the Extraordinary Form rubrics themselves don't prescribe tones or settings for the sung responses, although I know in most places they have a specific preference, usually for the Graduale Romanum.

 

My parish does a Latin Ordinary Form, ad orientem, with Latin sung responses as well. We usually use the Missa de Angelis.

[An Historian]

As far as I'm aware, the Extraordinary Form rubrics themselves don't prescribe tones or settings for the sung responses, although I know in most places they have a specific preference, usually for the Graduale Romanum.

 

My parish does a Latin Ordinary Form, ad orientem, with Latin sung responses as well. We usually use the Missa de Angelis.

 

Actually the 1962 Roman Missal does have its own prescribed chant contained within it.  On the whole it's pretty much identical to the Graduale Romanum but there are some slight differences in the Propers.