Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 " For God commands, and raises the stormy wind, which lifts up the waves there of " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) So why would God command this knowing 10,000 people would die ? Or is this another O.T. text along with others that needs to be questioned ? Edited November 12, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 One day Jesus got into a boat with his disciples, and he said to them, "Let us go across to the other side of the lake." So they set out, and as they sailed he fell asleep. And a storm of wind came down on the lake, and they were filling with water, and were in danger. And they went and woke him, saying, "Master, Master, we are perishing!" And he awoke and rebuked the wind and the raging waves; and they ceased, and there was a calm. He said to them, "Where is your faith?" And they were afraid, and they marveled, saying to one another, "Who then is this, that he commands even wind and water, and they obey him?" --Luke 8:22-25 There were some present at that very time who told him of the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And he answered them, "Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans, because they suffered thus? I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. Or those eighteen upon whom the tower in Silo'am fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse offenders than all the others who dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, No; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish." --Luke 13:1-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) So it seems as if God is just mad then....Really mad....In aa we are told to come to know God as we understand Him and do His will for our lives....And the God I have experienced (am aware its possible its all in my brain and there is no God) does not command storms to hit knowing over 10,000 people will suffer and die....That not the God I know...Although mabey that is the God I know and He just hasn't shown me that side of Him directly....This isn't an attack on God or to get into the o.t. scripture debate thing...I just don't think God plots these disaters.... Edited November 12, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I believe God commanded this storm to hit as much as I believe there was a global flood and Noah built an ark and put animals on it....And God killed everyone besides them....0 percent belief....Should I go to Confession for that ? Mortal sin ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Someone wise please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I think I once read that when Adam sinned, he did not fall alone. He took all creation with him. So, no, God does not "plot" such disasters. They occur as a result of our fallen state. He lets them happen, yes. Why? :idontknow: So that we'll see we need Him? So that we'll recognize there's something wrong in the world and seek perfection—which we can only find in Him? :idontknow: :idontknow: :idontknow: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) I can accept He "let's" them happen...I admit I don't understand that or see how its loving but I can accept it....What I have a hard time accepting is that He "commands" it like the ot psalm says....If that's the case its like I could picture God the Father commanding it while Jesus says mabey we shouldn't let that happen....But your will be done Dad....Again though I don't think its the case and I don't think God commands these disaters to happen...They just happen and us being in a natural world and universe God just let's things unfold.... Edited November 12, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) I can accept He "let's" them happen...I admit I don't understand that or see how its loving but I can accept it....What I have a hard time accepting is that He "commands" it like the ot psalm says....If that's the case its like I could picture God the Father commanding it while Jesus says mabey we shouldn't let that happen....But your will be done....Again though I don't think its the case and I don't think God commands these disaters to happen...They just happen and us being in a natural world God just let's things unfold.... To be perfectly honest with you, I don't understand why he allowed such a devastating thing to happen (and yes, I get that natural disasters are consequences of the fall, and nature going out of control)… I know without a shadow of a doubt that he will bring a greater good out of it but it is still hard to see and make sense of. The point of the matter is that are too limited to fully understand this mystery. To get to your question though, don't think that God commanded this happen… he did not. When Scripture talks about God's command over nature, it just means that he is its master because he created it. He is over the chaos of nature just as Era referred to. And the other verse from Luke's gospel that he posted reveals that these things don't happen because people need to be punished by them. I'm glad you didn't hesitate to post this… you know something, I think that the fact that we still believe in the midst of struggles makes us much more lovable to God. Whatever you take away from this, be at peace to know that God, while he has command of the winds, he didn't command this to happen. You get what i'm sayin? Edited November 12, 2013 by Seven77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) I can accept He "let's" them happen...I admit I don't understand that or see how its loving but I can accept it....What I have a hard time accepting is that He "commands" it like the ot psalm says....If that's the case its like I could picture God the Father commanding it while Jesus says mabey we shouldn't let that happen....But your will be done....Again though I don't think its the case and I don't think God commands these disaters to happen...They just happen and us being in a natural world God just let's things unfold.... Double post… moderators please delete. Edited November 12, 2013 by Seven77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I can accept He "let's" them happen...I admit I don't understand that or see how its loving but I can accept it....What I have a hard time accepting is that He "commands" it like the ot psalm says....If that's the case its like I could picture God the Father commanding it while Jesus says mabey we shouldn't let that happen....But your will be done Dad....Again though I don't think its the case and I don't think God commands these disaters to happen...They just happen and us being in a natural world and universe God just let's things unfold.... God the Father and Christ the Son are one, so any picture you have of the two disagreeing is inaccurate. Their wills are one. Always. (I say that, though I totally understand how people sometimes have the impression from the OT and the NT that they are two very different gods.) If you read all of Psalm 107 (as I'm sure you have), it seems that the passage you quoted suggests that God raised the waves of the sea in order to encourage men to turn to Him, to call out to Him, to ask for His assistance. That is, essentially, the effect that most disasters and fearful events have on us: They cause us to turn to God, because we don't understand, feel powerless, helpless, etc. If the purpose of all life is to love and serve God, then a thing like a natural disaster, in the larger picture of eternity, is quite a small thing. And if the purpose of every event is to cause us to turn to God—as is our whole purpose in life, the whole purpose for which He created us—then in the larger picture of eternity, a natural disaster may be a good thing. So what if God does command these things to happen? We could never know, of course. It might be God's doing, it might be the stupid devil's doing, it might be merely the outcome of natural causes. We know God lets them happen, but we can't know if God commands them to happen. Is there sense, then, in wondering? It makes more sense to me to wonder why God allows such things to happen, since we know He does do that. But I think that, if we believe that God allows all things for our good—the ultimate, long-term good of our souls in their relationship with Him, not the short-term, short-sighted good we are mostly concerned with—then we will have no trouble accepting that God is good and merciful even in the face of horrible events. Try to see such events "from the God's-eye view". Life on earth is not the end of us, to Him. There's more. Infinitely more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Thank you guys for the replies....Really good stuff....Godbless ! Edited November 12, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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