On Tuesday I Went To An Ef Mass For The First Time.

[Anastasia13]

Lost throughout the whole Mass... couldn't hear a lot of it... could figure out a little bit of the language.... but it had pretty music... and bells... Oh! and cool habits. So it was a positive experience. 

 

Well. I suppose that's what Mass is all about - pretty music and nice bells to tell you when something important is happening (because you can't figure it out with your own five senses). 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, the seminary will take your understanding of liturgy beyond pretty music and bells. 

 

I think what he is getting at is a little deeper than superficial pretty. He reflected on his own prayer life and the importance of paying attention. He commented on how pretty it was, but sometimes when we are in a different experience, even one where there is some challenge, it gives us occasion to re-focus on what is important. Attending church isn't just about being there, saying a few words, hearing a short teaching, receiving communion (if not in a state of mortal sin) and moving on. It's about engaging with God, letting go of the world to hear Him, and in seeking Him to do that which we are instructed, worship at church, receive communion if we can, etc.

 

If no bells add value to the spiritual experience of someone seeking God, and that person seeks and worships God at church, then glory be to God for it. If the rhythm and sound of bells add value to the spiritual experience of someone seeking God, and that person is better for it, then glory be to God for it. God did not instruct is specifically on those details, so it's not whether or not the smells and bells are pretty but do you stop there or find God behind them.

Edited October 24, 2013 by Light and Truth

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Just memorize the same prayers we need to know in the novus ordo, but in latin, lol, and it takes time,perhaps start with the kyrie, the agnus dei, the et cum spirtu tuo(and with your spirit) and the lord i am not worthy that you should enter under my roof but only say the word and my soul shall be healed bit (i used to know that bit by heart but have forgotten.), but really start anywhere you like those are just some short bits that are easy to kick off with. And if you really wan't to get drunk off the latin wine get a roman missal and follow the whole mass from that. :)

Edited October 24, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[Seven77]

I like the Missa Angelis but i feel like i don't fit in at the other types of the EF...like i'm unwelcome...

[Anastasia13]

I like the Missa Angelis but i feel like i don't fit in at the other types of the EF...like i'm unwelcome...

 

What do you mean other types? There are multiple types?

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I like the Missa Angelis but i feel like i don't fit in at the other types of the EF...like i'm unwelcome...

 

 

Your welcome because Jesus welcomes you. :)

[Seven77]

What do you mean other types? There are multiple types?

 

I think... Missa Solemnis, Missa Cantata, Low Mass...

Edited October 24, 2013 by Seven77

[Seven77]

Your welcome because Jesus welcomes you. :)

 

True dat. Thanks :)

 

I just wish that more people would act like they actually know him... maybe my perception is off...

Edited October 24, 2013 by Seven77

[BigJon16]

Ahh, the conflict! Phatmass, you never cease to keep it real..

 

 

Lost throughout the whole Mass... couldn't hear a lot of it... could figure out a little bit of the language.... but it had pretty music... and bells... Oh! and cool habits. So it was a positive experience. 

 

Well. I suppose that's what Mass is all about - pretty music and nice bells to tell you when something important is happening (because you can't figure it out with your own five senses). 

 

 

 

 

 

Hopefully, the seminary will take your understanding of liturgy beyond pretty music and bells. 

 

 

 

Luigi, your insight is appreciated. Oddly enough, in a wonderfully blunt way, you hit quite the heart of what I'm talking about and what I'm beginning to realize in my own life. We don't worship God in order to be entertained, we worship God because God is to be worshiped. It's really a beautiful idea to reflect on.. Thanks! :)  

 

 

 

[TheresaThoma]

I've been to and EF Mass and it was very confusing. However I liked it and for me it just had a different emphasis than the NO. The EF felt more personal and introspective. In all that silence you could/had to turn inside and meet God there. In the N.O. we are focused on being a community. There is an outward focus on being one part of the Body of Christ. 

Going to the EF also helped me to remember to really pray the Mass, both NO and EF. They balance each other out quite nicely.

[Gabriela]

We don't worship God in order to be entertained, we worship God because God is to be worshiped.

 

Well spoken, sir.

[Luigi]

Luigi, your insight is appreciated. Oddly enough, in a wonderfully blunt way, you hit quite the heart of what I'm talking about and what I'm beginning to realize in my own life. We don't worship God in order to be entertained, we worship God because God is to be worshiped. It's really a beautiful idea to reflect on.. Thanks! :)

 

"Wonderfully blunt." I think that's accurate. And I think I like it. I might start describing myself that way. 

 

 

 

I've been thinking about this (NO/EF) and I think I've come up with an analogy that expresses my feelings about it more clearly than I could articulate in a persuasive essay or something: 

 

So there's this woman in my town that I've known a long time. She's attractive in an everyday sort of way, she's sensible, she's hardworking, she's good natured. I'm comfortable with her, We talk pretty openly and easily.

 

There's this other woman in my town. She's exotic - Italian! She speaks Italian. She wears high-style clothes. She wears this really interesting perfume. She has European manners. It just feels good to be close to her - interesting, maybe even exciting. I don't understand most of what she says, but she says everything with this really charming accent.

 

Which one do I choose? The high-style one who makes me feel good but I don't understand, or the one I have a long-standing relationship with, whom I do understand, but who's just sensible and hardworking instead of exotic? If I choose the high-style one, is it because I'm actually interested in HER, or is it her customs & style that fascinate me? Maybe I haven't been giving enough credit to the sensible but plain one - sort of overlooking her because familiarity breeds contempt? 

 

DISCLAIMER - NOT REQUIRED, BUT NECESSARY ON PHATMASS THESE DAYS

I'm not attributing motives to, accusing, blaming, or intending to insult anyone on this board, or anyone who has ever gone to an EF, or anyone who likes the EF, or Catholics who lived in the time of the Tridentine mass, or any other persons living or dead, actual or fictional. I'm just explaining my previous post and how I feel about people who develop a sudden fascination with the EF.

 

And in all honesty, BigJon seems to be very thoughtful about the whole question.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Ahh, the conflict! Phatmass, you never cease to keep it real..

 

 

 

 

 

Luigi, your insight is appreciated. Oddly enough, in a wonderfully blunt way, you hit quite the heart of what I'm talking about and what I'm beginning to realize in my own life. We don't worship God in order to be entertained, we worship God because God is to be worshiped. It's really a beautiful idea to reflect on.. Thanks! :)

 

 

entertainment iz evil, especially in excess, like alcohol.

 

St Benedict " Prefer nothing whatsoever to Christ."

 

We may not all be called to be priest but we ARE called to be priestly. Young Men of God rise up!

Edited October 26, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye

[cappie]

We don't worship God in order to be entertained, we worship God because God is to be worshiped.

 

As an older person here I served Mass for 8 years in the E.F. before the introduction of the N.O. in 1969, before most of you were born. I find both forms of the Mass, now as a priest, not in competition but valid forms of worship given by the Church.

 

Worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness,

Bow down before Him, His glory proclaim;

Gold of obedience and incense of lowliness,

Bring and adore Him—the Lord is His Name.  :pope2:

Edited October 26, 2013 by cappie

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

G'day father cappie, may the peace of our lord and saviour christ jesus be with you in faith hope and love.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye