HisChildForever Posted October 23, 2013 Author Share Posted October 23, 2013 Doesn't make sense to me either, though supposedly it is possible. Satan did. True, but Lucifer as an angel had a certain knowledge that no human being could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) True, but Lucifer as an angel had a certain knowledge that no human being could. Reminds me of todays gospel. Something like he that is given more will have more expected of him and he that is given less will be have less expected of him, not those exact words though but words to that effect. The more you know the more responsibility you have to do what is right i believe is what the Jesus was saying. Satan knew and understood exactly what he was doing so his punishment will be greater then someone whom makes a serious mistake without full knowledge and understanding. But also some humans are pretty smart even on par with angels, but thank God for the gift of repentance and forgiveness, alleluia. Edited October 23, 2013 by Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Hell is other people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 existentialism is for the damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabriela Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 But it just doesn't seem so simple or even possible to lump people into one of two categories. Life is a lot more complicated than that. People are more complicated. I'm struggling with this. Fortunately, I don't have to worry about sorting the good from the bad, because God will handle it—because He can. I cannot, so I concern myself with other things. Like loving everyone, regardless of where God will ultimately put them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 existentialism is for the damned. Yeah, well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AccountDeleted Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Hell is ... http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/131705-my-idea-of-hell-is/#entry2632167 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Hell is other meaple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 L'enfer c'est le autres! This insight by Jean-Paul Sartre is probably my favorite. The three "prisoners" of hell in Huis Clos realizes that it is their own demons which keep them from escaping hell. It is their own darkness, not God who has them locked inside — there are no physical locks! I cannot conceive of God as holding fast to a retributive sense of justice. I rather prefer to think of God as an adherent of restorative justice. Sin is a chain. There is no need to balance the abstract scales of retributive justice. It is why I have always imagined purgatory as a state where we are forced to have our darkness laid bear and we suffer because we realize our own demonic nature. I am really in the Hans Urs Von Balthasar theology that we might reasonably hope that all are saved. The only thing I can imagine that would keep someone from God's Love is a sheer act of defiant free-will to resist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) Only evil people who reject God will end up in hell....Or Christians who know the truth yet reject God and live in sin....God doesn't send a person who doesn't get baptised to hell if they are a good person and they follow their conscience to the best of their ability and live and walk in love.....And that's the catch....Only God knows what a person really knows....A loving good natured person who lives a good life and is never convinced of Catholicism doesn't go to hell no questions asked....Unless they knew for sure you had to be Catholic to go to Heaven and yet rejected God and refused to get Baptized...And only God knows the answers to those tough questions....Only He knows the whole heart and mind.....Anyhow out of all the people who were ever created a lot will go to purgatory then Heaven....Some will go to hell....And since its for eternity even a few people going to hell is way to many.....Repent and accept His grace and Love... Edited October 23, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) There is different depths of hell for different sins...And you can experience that hell right here on earth....I just did 30 days ago and it lasted for a few days....And that was my rock bottom with alcohol and I then joined aa....But after that last night I had with alcohol and the things I did while wasted when I woke up the next day I was in my own hell on earth....I felt it....I was devoid of all Gods grace and never have felt that empty and broken....I take that back I have come close with other bad encounters with alcohol but this was the worse....For those few days I experienced hell....The only differnece was I was still alive and still had another shot to accept Gods grace and forgivness....That's how I know Gods real....Other reasons too but this is a big one....When this happened the way I felt I wanted to die....I almost just got on a bus and took off from where I lived the last 4 years....I didn't think I could stay here even though I've busted my ass at work to get where I'm at....I thought that there was no way I could feel restored and be able to carry on with my life and have a feeling of clamness and peace....But with Gods grace it was possible and He even gave me the grace to stop drinking and enter aa....The only difference with hell and death is you won't be givin that chance at another shot....You will be outside of time and have to live in the hell you created for eternity....Scary stuff.... Edited October 23, 2013 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 Interesting topic. Looking forward to seeing more of the discussion, because it is something I'll admit to struggling with at times. I spent time on three different death rows. I never met a man there who was sane and sober when committing his crime. Being around convicts will vastly change the way you look at life. It's easy on the outside to simply see the crime they committed and see them as evil-doers. On the inside though, you see people who are sick, scarred, and damaged in ways that would shock Most of us. Agreed. Sometimes my students accuse me of being some sort of hardcore liberal when it comes to issues relating to the incarcerated, but no one who has complained in class and said that has ever spent a single hour in the presence of an inmate within a facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) There is different depths of hell for different sins...And you can experience that hell right here on earth....I just did 30 days ago and it lasted for a few days....And that was my rock bottom with alcohol and I then joined aa....But after that last night I had with alcohol and the things I did while wasted when I woke up the next day I was in my own hell on earth....I felt it....I was devoid of all Gods grace and never have felt that empty and broken....I take that back I have come close with other bad encounters with alcohol but this was the worse....For those few days I experienced hell....The only differnece was I was still alive and still had another shot to accept Gods grace and forgivness....That's how I know Gods real....Other reasons too but this is a big one....When this happened the way I felt I wanted to die....I almost just got on a bus and took off from where I lived the last 4 years....I didn't think I could stay here even though I've busted my ass at work to get where I'm at....I thought that there was no way I could feel restored and be able to carry on with my life and have a feeling of clamness and peace....But with Gods grace it was possible and He even gave me the grace to stop drinking and enter aa....The only difference with hell and death is you won't be givin that chance at another shot....You will be outside of time and have to live in the hell you created for eternity....Scary stuff.... http://youtu.be/eL0R-oTq-lM I think we understand more about our responsibility and guilt than we are willing to recognize. Prisoners are always an interesting human case study because they are literally locked inside their guilt, they can't escape it. And in many ways, they are locked inside society's guilts. Recognizing the humanity of prisoners means recognizing their capacity for human responsibility...for good and for evil. It's one of the unfortunate realities of prison, not merely that it accuses and punishes, but that it does not liberate. Prison becomes a person's reality. I admire people who work with prisoners, it's really on the front lines of the whole project of Christian redemption. Edited October 23, 2013 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 (edited) St. Faustina said that as a soul is dying, God will approach the soul three times, extending His Mercy...now granted, this is again, private revelation but I find this to be very beautiful. And again, as others have stated before, no one can look into the heart of another human being & judge their heart, only God can do that. There is a story about a rabbi who asks God for a vision of heaven & hell. He first sees people seated at a long banquet table with only long handled spoons. They are destroying the feast set before them, throwing the food & beating each other with the spoons, screaming & cursing. Of course, this was hell. He then sees another banquet table with people holding long spoons...& they are peacefully feeding one another...Heaven. :saint: Edited October 23, 2013 by brandelynmarie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted October 23, 2013 Share Posted October 23, 2013 SURPRISE! I dreamt death came the other night, And Heaven's Gate swung wide. An Angel with a halo bright Ushered me inside. And there to my astonishment, Stood folks I'd judged & labeled: As "quite unfit" "of little worth" And "spiritually disabled". Indignant words rose to my lips, But never were set free, For every face showed stunned surprise, Not one expected me! Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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