Your President And His Administration Have Declared War On Christianit

[Catherine Therese]

I read this and was deeply troubled: 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/14/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group/

 

 

Between the Obamacare legislation and this kind of brainwashing in military training I can't help but think that there is a systematic and concentrated effort to sever Americans from their Christian roots.

 

I'm interested to hear what Americans think of this? I was a "pseudo-American" for a couple of years, so I feel this quite keenly because I loved the people I came to know during my time there... America is my second home, but I am first and foremost Aussie and try as I might, I will never understand your cultural and political climate as well as you do! 

 

Can anything be done about this within your legal system? 

 

Is this a cultural problem, an intellectual problem or something altogether different?   

 

Edited October 16, 2013 by Catherine Therese

[4588686]

I read this and was deeply troubled: 

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/14/us-army-defines-christian-ministry-as-domestic-hate-group/

 

 

Between the Obamacare legislation and this kind of brainwashing in military training I can't help but think that there is a systematic and concentrated effort to sever Americans from their Christian roots.

 

I'm interested to hear what Americans think of this? I was a "pseudo-American" for a couple of years, so I feel this quite keenly because I loved the people I came to know during my time there... America is my second home, but I am first and foremost Aussie and try as I might, I will never understand your cultural and political climate as well as you do! 

 

Can anything be done about this within your legal system? 

 

Is this a cultural problem, an intellectual problem or something altogether different?   

 

 

I think that you have a weak grasp on American politics and the American legal system.

[John Ryan]

The American Family Association is a hate group. The AFA spews venomous hate against people of other religions and LGBTQ individuals. I do not think that is up for debate. The AFA vehemently opposed a Hindu delivering a prayer opening in the U.S. Senate and reacted with offense that the first muslim congressman chose to swear upon the Qur'an. The AFA has been known to target people for being gay, such as when they interfered with newspaper editor's job, by declaring that he was a pedophile because he occasionally worked with schoolchildren. 

 

If you want to be a fascist and believe that the government should institutionalize a religious ideology into its basic laws, so be it. Yet, you do not dare claim that such a project is American — the word taken as representative of political principles. The United States was founded on the idea of liberal tolerance towards religious sentiments, so as to avoid the horrific religious wars which raged across Europe. And it is because of religious tolerance that Roman Catholics such as myself are able to practice our religion freely, instead of being driven out by a Protestant majority for being false pagans, who worship idols.

Edited October 16, 2013 by John Ryan

[Catherine Therese]

If it really is a hate group then I will remove my post. I didn't realize. The equivalent family group in Australia is not a hate group. When I read the article I guess I fell into a sort of organizational equivocation.

[4588686]

If it really is a hate group then I will remove my post. I didn't realize. The equivalent family group in Australia is not a hate group. When I read the article I guess I fell into a sort of organizational equivocation.

 

 

'I'm not sure what this group is, what the stand for, or what they do.  Better claim to a bunch of people that the American President has declared war on Christianity, lol!"

 

 

Obama did not declare war on Christianity.  Obama is a liberal Christian.  Obama did not declare war on the organization in question.  The power point presentations of soldiers trying to give examples of extremist groups do not dictate American foreign policy.  

 

 

[Catherine Therese]

Further to my last post - It won't let me remove my own content.

I have to admit, the lack of control over what I have written makes me rather reticent to post anything at all on this phorum ever again.  

 

As does the personal attack that resulted. If there is ignorance, as I suggested there might be, with my comment to the effect of "I will never understand as well as an American would..." well... why not try to correct it? Why would you point fingers and get personal?

 

Hasan - there was no "LOL" attached to any part of my message. I was most certainly not laughing. I said I was deeply troubled. I said that I had grown to love many people in America and admitted in my post that I didn't have a great grasp of things, which is precisely why I was asking for the American perspective. 

I didn't expect the American perspective to jump down my throat into the bargain. 

[John Ryan]

Further to my last post - It won't let me remove my own content.

I have to admit, the lack of control over what I have written makes me rather reticent to post anything at all on this phorum ever again.  

 

As does the personal attack that resulted. If there is ignorance, as I suggested there might be, with my comment to the effect of "I will never understand as well as an American would..." well... why not try to correct it? Why would you point fingers and get personal?

 

Hasan - there was no "LOL" attached to any part of my message. I was most certainly not laughing. I said I was deeply troubled. I said that I had grown to love many people in America and admitted in my post that I didn't have a great grasp of things, which is precisely why I was asking for the American perspective. 

I didn't expect the American perspective to jump down my throat into the bargain. 

 

I was not personally attacking you. It's rather that me and Hasan are practically the only progressive on Phatmass, and we discuss reactionary-conservative issues constantly, so we naturally put posts like this in the category of "right-wing crazy," and react accordingly.

[4588686]

Further to my last post - It won't let me remove my own content.

I have to admit, the lack of control over what I have written makes me rather reticent to post anything at all on this phorum ever again.  

 

As does the personal attack that resulted. If there is ignorance, as I suggested there might be, with my comment to the effect of "I will never understand as well as an American would..." well... why not try to correct it? Why would you point fingers and get personal?

 

Hasan - there was no "LOL" attached to any part of my message. I was most certainly not laughing. I said I was deeply troubled. I said that I had grown to love many people in America and admitted in my post that I didn't have a great grasp of things, which is precisely why I was asking for the American perspective. 

I didn't expect the American perspective to jump down my throat into the bargain. 

 

 

I just got from my home back to DC and, having the internet for the first time in a few hours, saw that the House backed out of its vote on raising the debt ceiling and reopening government.  That put me in a pissy mood and I lashed out at your post because it's the same weird, paranoia that has fueled a lot of the lawmakers currents taking the country to the brink of economic collapse.  That wasn't fair to you.  You're not an elected official.  Me being in a bad mood doesn't justify me being a prick to you.  My apologies.  

[AnneLine]

Everybody is grumpy and jumpy these days.  

 

CT if you really want a post removed, contact a mod and explain that.

 

But all of us sometimes post stuff we wish we hadn't, and we all know that the editing window is awful short these days.  So... just ad an addendum post if you change your mind.

 

 I know what it is like to feel like the token conservative AND token liberal.  It 'suuuuuuks'  if you get my meaning. 

 

 Thanks for what you wrote, Hasan... :heart: every one of us needs the humility to write something like that now and then.

 

Maybe we should all go after skunks or something... find a team building exercise?  ;)

Edited October 16, 2013 by AnneLine

[Catherine Therese]

Hey, you guys were super quick to apologise, and you don't know me so I guess it could have come across as an attack and I'm sorry that it did. And its totally understandable that you'd be sensitive with things as difficult as they are with the government shutdown and everything. I really am hoping and praying they get that worked out soon.

 

I probably should ask the Americans I know personally in a private setting when I have questions, rather than open it out to a public thing, so that was my own mistake too.  

 

I've contacted someone with authority in the phorum and asked him to remove this whole thread and outlined my reasons for requesting that... and I'll share one of the reasons with you here - I just don't want to in any way cause a nasty spirit on the phorum, because as you say, there has been a lot of jumpiness and whatnot lately. I feel terrible that I may have contributed to this in any way, it really was so far from my intention! I am so sorry, everyone. 

[Nihil Obstat]

Everybody is grumpy and jumpy these days.  

 

CT if you really want a post removed, contact a mod and explain that.

 

But all of us sometimes post stuff we wish we hadn't, and we all know that the editing window is awful short these days.  So... just ad an addendum post if you change your mind.

 

 I know what it is like to feel like the token conservative AND token liberal.  It 'suuuuuuks'  if you get my meaning. 

 

 Thanks for what you wrote, Hasan... :heart: every one of us needs the humility to write something like that now and then.

 

Maybe we should all go after skunks or something... find a team building exercise?  ;)

Marijuana smells rather like skunk. I passed a couple guys this afternoon who smelled strongly of marijuana. But I do not care because I think everyone should be free to smoke marijuana if they so choose. I went home and made a grilled cheese sandwich, which was lovely, after which I finished my Chinese composition in which I introduced myself and described a family picture. The picture was one taken at my wedding in July - the only moderately current picture which has both my parents in it, and perhaps the last one that will ever be taken. At least the last in the foreseeable future. After the Chinese composition I also had to record a reading out loud assignment, which sounded ok but not great, and now that that is finished I have to write 5-6 double spaced pages on an issue in medical ethics. I am going to write about a scenario in which a seriously depressed elderly patient is diagnosed with cancer and the doctor must decide whether to tell the patient or his family. I think patient autonomy essentially answers the question rather than introducing any particular difficulties. Actually I found it to be a pretty straightforward case. I am drinking a beer too, a local-ish craft porter. Nice flavour, and less expensive than more well known brand names.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 

 

I've contacted someone with authority in the phorum and asked him to remove this whole thread and outlined my reasons for requesting that... and I'll share one of the reasons with you here - I just don't want to in any way cause a nasty spirit on the phorum, because as you say, there has been a lot of jumpiness and whatnot lately. I feel terrible that I may have contributed to this in any way, it really was so far from my intention! I am so sorry, everyone. 

 

 

http://youtu.be/wlq0lYB3iSM

[Catherine Therese]

Hey... I grew up in that era. ALL ABOUT Van Halen style jumpiness.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

That is the good jump lol, i don't know much about van halen but i enjoy that song.

 

Also i just wan't to say you all rock, i am amazed how quickly everyone is apologizing for whatever reasons at present when realizing they may have JUMPED(the bad jump) on someone else a bit to quickly or perhaps irrationally for what ever reason(no pun intended). I think it is very honorable and not a sign of weakness, it is a sign of strength,humility and unity, without being overly scrupulous.

[dUSt]

Please don't invest much faith in Hasan or John Ryan's attempts to appear unbiased. They lean just as far to the left as the most conservative people on phatmass lean to the right.

In fact, it appears that the most conservative people on phatmass may all end up being banned shortly, and sadly, when that happens, I will also have to ban Hasan and John Ryan just to maintain proper balance.

Unfair, yes, but I am not afraid.