dUSt Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 :ohno: so sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ContemporaryCaflicCrusader Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Someone through rocks through the stain glass windows at a church I used to partake in the community, but this??? Is so so wrong. I hope they find the perpetrators and get them to fix it. I am kinda glad I can't decipher all that spanish. Prayers for your community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does anybody speak Spanish who can translate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaTherese Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I know Spanish. What they wrote is so sad. I won't translate all of it but here's the sign on entry to the parish: Kill me here, Mother Michael. Here is death for death. The rest seems to be referring to something that I don't know about. There's a lot about death, a bit about an assassin (Mexican holocaust. Harvad [I'm sure it's a name, it could be Harvard or it could be something else.] is your assassin.), more along those lines.... dUSt, do you know what's going to be done about that? You can't have stuff like that staying around, but I don't think taking graffiti off of walls is particularly easy.... Prayers for the parish and the vandals. They could surely use it, judging by what they wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I was wondering why s/he was talking about (what seems to be) NATO. It's very strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaTherese Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I was wondering why s/he was talking about (what seems to be) NATO. It's very strange. How does what was written relate to NATO? I'm confused.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 How does what was written relate to NATO? I'm confused.... Some such something about the Atlantic Treaty? (Which established NATO...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Tragic. Does that kind of paint wash off or will everything need to be painted over? I'm going to take a wild guess and say the perpetrators spoke Spanish as a major language for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Power washing may be able to remove it but it'll damage the brick. I imagine the police had to be involved first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 dUSt, I think what you have there is some nationalistic graffiti coming out of the violence currently going on in Mexico. There must be people who speak Spanish on this board who know more about the situation in Mexico, but I can understand enough of it (and it doesn't help that there are a LOT of misspelled words!) to get a sense of what group is most likely responsible. For everyone, I don't think it has anything specifically to do with being anti-Catholic or anti Mary or anything like that. I don't think there was so much a desire to desecrate a Church as much as just hit a big building that would be seen by many people. Pretty common, sadly... they hit Church, colleges, office buildings out here in my world.... I am pretty sure what looks to the Anglo eye to be 'religiously themed' (about Mary, Michael and 'lo que crucifiquen' [those who crucify]), I don't believe that is the case. My guess is it has nothing to do with religion, but is more likely reference to people in Mexico (political leaders, people who were involved in killings there) and referring to killings of innocent ones. Possibly drug and/or immigration deaths... or just the horrible conditions there. There are SO many people being killed in Mexico! Unless I am missing something, there is nothing about NATO in there at all. I am pretty sure that the references are to political figures in Mexico, and the connection with the former president of Mexico having been giving a position at Harvard. Much of the political and general violence in Mexico is drug-related, and much of the blame for that is going on the political leaders.... and 'deaths for death' (or an eye for an eye, as we might put it) is often a feature in graffiti of this kind. Not sure about the reference to Guadalajara... but again, the police would know if there is a clue there. Now on a practical level: 1) Pray for the perpetrators. They are in great pain. Not a good way to express it, but that needs to be our response, angry as this makes us. 2) Take good photos of the graffiti (these are good, but be sure you have all of the words and in the right order). Photograph them and number them -- you want the record to make as much sense as possible. 3) Give those to the police, who should be able to tell you right away if there is any danger this is gang related (I don't see any of the hallmarks of that in the words, but your gangs may be doing different stuff than the ones out here) or if they recognize the phrases, slogans or handwriting. Often they have seen the same words and/or thoughts before. The police out here in the SF area REALLY stress this to us...because they can sometimes nail someone for a bunch of graffiti if they can catch someone AND have other examples of the person's uh... artwork. 4) After it is fully documented and the police give you the go-ahead, Get it OFF the wall asap. Especially if there is ANY chance it is gang related and / or if there are rival political groups going after each other. Defacing each other's graffiti is the start of a gang war and you DO NOT want that in your front yard. I'm sorry this happened to all of you, dUSt, and I am praying for all of you and for the people who did this. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 This is not my home parish, but it is the closest parish to my house (the one we attend when we take the smallest kids with us because of the great cry room). There was a news team there when I took the pictures, so I don't know. My wife actually attended mass there Sunday and the priest did not even mention it--which seems kinda weird to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 This is not my home parish, but it is the closest parish to my house (the one we attend when we take the smallest kids with us because of the great cry room). There was a news team there when I took the pictures, so I don't know. My wife actually attended mass there Sunday and the priest did not even mention it--which seems kinda weird to me. Maybe he just forgot, if he had offered Mass more than once before the one your wife attended then he may have remembered to then. Then maybe he just forgot because he forgot.This whole thing is very sad though, most of what I can understand from the writing doesn't seem to have anything to do with the Catholic Church. But maybe it was easier than say a Federal building or a bank. I also wouldn't be suprised if the person is found to have mental difficulties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 (edited) Sometimes priests (and college people!) get the mistaken view that the 'best way to deal with this is to ignore it'. No. We have had the anti-gang task force out to talk to community groups near me, and they stress what I said above (although they don't start with prayer ;) ). They used to hit the building I worked at for City College of San Francisco EVERY DANG DAY when I worked in one of the more dangerous parts of SF. I got used to walking down and taking the 'daily photo' for the police before the security staff painted it over. That wall must have had at least 80 layers of paint.... One parish I attend sometimes had JUST painted their church when this happened. That pastor literally stood at the front of the church and cried. And the Knights of Columbus took up a collection for the $$$$ for the additional paint and painted it over... and did it on a Sunday. No one objected..... Edited October 14, 2013 by AnneLine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChristinaTherese Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 dUSt, I think what you have there is some nationalistic graffiti coming out of the violence currently going on in Mexico. There must be people who speak Spanish on this board who know more about the situation in Mexico, but I can understand enough of it (and it doesn't help that there are a LOT of misspelled words!) to get a sense of what group is most likely responsible. For everyone, I don't think it has anything specifically to do with being anti-Catholic or anti Mary or anything like that. I don't think there was so much a desire to desecrate a Church as much as just hit a big building that would be seen by many people. Pretty common, sadly... they hit Church, colleges, office buildings out here in my world.... I am pretty sure what looks to the Anglo eye to be 'religiously themed' (about Mary, Michael and 'lo que crucifiquen' [those who crucify]), I don't believe that is the case. My guess is it has nothing to do with religion, but is more likely reference to people in Mexico (political leaders, people who were involved in killings there) and referring to killings of innocent ones. Possibly drug and/or immigration deaths... or just the horrible conditions there. There are SO many people being killed in Mexico! Unless I am missing something, there is nothing about NATO in there at all. I am pretty sure that the references are to political figures in Mexico, and the connection with the former president of Mexico having been giving a position at Harvard. Much of the political and general violence in Mexico is drug-related, and much of the blame for that is going on the political leaders.... and 'deaths for death' (or an eye for an eye, as we might put it) is often a feature in graffiti of this kind. Not sure about the reference to Guadalajara... but again, the police would know if there is a clue there. Now on a practical level: 1) Pray for the perpetrators. They are in great pain. Not a good way to express it, but that needs to be our response, angry as this makes us. 2) Take good photos of the graffiti (these are good, but be sure you have all of the words and in the right order). Photograph them and number them -- you want the record to make as much sense as possible. 3) Give those to the police, who should be able to tell you right away if there is any danger this is gang related (I don't see any of the hallmarks of that in the words, but your gangs may be doing different stuff than the ones out here) or if they recognize the phrases, slogans or handwriting. Often they have seen the same words and/or thoughts before. The police out here in the SF area REALLY stress this to us...because they can sometimes nail someone for a bunch of graffiti if they can catch someone AND have other examples of the person's uh... artwork. 4) After it is fully documented and the police give you the go-ahead, Get it OFF the wall asap. Especially if there is ANY chance it is gang related and / or if there are rival political groups going after each other. Defacing each other's graffiti is the start of a gang war and you DO NOT want that in your front yard. I'm sorry this happened to all of you, dUSt, and I am praying for all of you and for the people who did this. Sad. That helps with context.... It makes a lot more sense that way. And my response was more of wanting to cry than being angry. The graffiti shows so much pain. Yes, yes, I definitely echo number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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