Vatican Tells Bishops Not To Reform Faster Than Pope Francis

[Apotheoun]

 

so this is what we're talking about here: 

“I think this is the moment for mercy. The divorced may have access to the sacraments. The problem regards those who are in a second marriage … who cannot receive communion. But, in parenthesis, the Orthodox have a different praxis. They follow the theology of economy, and they give a second chance: they allow that.  But I think that this problem – and here I close the parenthesis – should be studied within the framework of matrimonial pastoral care. " -Pope Francis

 

nothing in that indicates any kind of misunderstanding of the way the Orthodox praxis works.  the Orthodox praxis, through their theology of economy, offer the chance for ecclesiastic divorce and remarriage... it is you who has superimposed onto his words the assumption that he thinks all of that happens for civilly divorced and civilly remarried people... he clearly does not, he's clearly talking about the Orthodox praxis within the Orthodox Church.  and he's clearly saying that the synod should study the issue, including a study of that praxis.

 

Yes, he is contrasting existing Roman practice with Orthodox practice, and how the Orthodox give a person a "second chance," but doesn't the Roman annulment system already do the same thing? So where is the contrast?

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Yes I misunderstood, forgive me. Still many conditions must exist for your example to be one of true invincible ignorance. For example the priest would have to be the sole source of the persons understanding of the Catholic Church and whatever particular teachings the priest rejects. And certainly there examples where the "well Father said it was ok, Father said it is good" excuse would not lessen or rid the person of culpability. No matter how much good faith is placed in the priest's false teachings.

 

 

Even after reading the catechism a person can still be vague on things, maybe not indomitably ignorant ( which is the word i would use not invincible, it is a key phrase from the writings of st alphonsus liguri , and i don't even know exactly what he meant by it i only read a short biography) but i assume still vague and not fully culpable of wrong action. I found the catechism vague on the subject of smoking tobacco as to whether it was a sin or not, and i have had one priest tell me the amount you smoke may be a sin and another priest tell me not at all,never a sin, where do i stant now, perhaps not indomitably ignorant but also not fully enlightened to the truth therefore not fully culpable of sin from smoking tobacco if in truth it is a sin.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 

 

The priests have failed us for the most part, and the environment is nothing short of toxic.

 

 

Some priests perhaps.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Roman Catholics often think that Orthodox practice on issues related to marriage are lax compared to Roman Catholic standards, but that is not really the case in most Orthodox jurisdictions.

 

 

You generalize roman catholic, i think half the church wouldn't have a clue about what orthodox christians believe on the subject and would say so. Not that we don't care to know.

Edited October 12, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye