Apotheoun Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 New-look synod on marriage is first fruit of G-8 by John L. Allen Jr. | Oct. 8, 2013 NCR Today ROME - A first fruit from the Oct. 1-3 meeting of the pope's new Council of Cardinals is already clear, with announcement of the theme for the next Synod of Bishops and plans for significant changes in the process designed to make it more participatory, substantive and efficient. The Vatican announced Tuesday that the theme of the synod will be "The Pastoral Challenges of the Family in the Context of Evangelization," with the meeting to take place Oct. 5-19, 2014, in Rome. Given the topic, the thorny pastoral question of Communion for divorced and civilly remarried Catholics is destined to arise. On other occasions, Francis has hinted at openness to a greater degree of flexibility on the issue, perhaps along the lines of the Orthodox tradition. Demonstrating his interest in the impending synod, Francis took the unusual step Monday of leaving the Domus Santa Marta where he's living and where people who have business with the pope typically come to him in order to travel down the Via della Conciliazione by car in order to join a working meeting of the bishops who make up the synod's secretariat. Click here to read the rest of the article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 I like how Roman Catholics talk about adopting Orthodox practices without actually knowing anything about those practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I have friends in Canada going through wedding prep who are currently documenting some of the things their own priest has been saying to them, and it's not far from the scenario I'm envisioning. I'm sure if I went digging I could find some in the US. THANK YOU ARFINK! I live in the US. In the northeast. I have yet to find a marriage prep because they are too busy catering to people willing to spend thousands on weddings. The marriage prep here is a joke. They let you know that the church teaches that co-habitation is "bad" but in such a way as picking your boogers is "bad". I've heard priests say that artifical birth control is part of modern life and God wants us to use it just as much as He'd want us to use treatment for cancer. Couples get to pick whatever songs they want (including beetles *shutter*) and most times Communion is less than guarded even with people who have no clue about Catholicism...including openly gay couples. (one priest did a blessing for all couples at the end of Mass and two men...with adopted little girls...stood up, and week after week he gave them Communion and happily chatted with them after Mass) The priests have failed us for the most part, and the environment is nothing short of toxic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blazeingstar Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Yes I misunderstood, forgive me. Still many conditions must exist for your example to be one of true invincible ignorance. For example the priest would have to be the sole source of the persons understanding of the Catholic Church and whatever particular teachings the priest rejects. And certainly there examples where the "well Father said it was ok, Father said it is good" excuse would not lessen or rid the person of culpability. No matter how much good faith is placed in the priest's false teachings. Unfortunately, it's not just one priest we're talking about here...it's many and many people of the same mindset. I was once complaining to a Bible study about how a priest said there was no such thing as Mortal sin since Vatican II. The conversation came to a screeching halt. The priest (a different one) who headed the bible study said "well he's was right" and everyone else in the room (people 40-80) agreed with him. I was 25 and seeking what I could....as a dyslexic I find the catechism impossible to read and I struggle to read the Bible. And this is me putting forth effort to learn. I later did find some nice TOT's to go to, but the whole experiance (along with others that wern't so bad) really jaded me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Perhaps one day the Vatican will find itself teaching that contraception and abortion are permissible I could see the Vatican altering its teaching on contraception in order to better conform to contemporary culture, but I doubt it will ever accept abortion because that involves taking a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4588686 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 God told me that divorce is alright. I'm writing a book on the subject, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 God told me that divorce is alright. I'm writing a book on the subject, This worries me because you and Pope Francis have been agreeing on a lot of topics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Interestingly enough, it seems as if this German archdiocese's decision is canonically illegitimate anyway. Canon 428 says: Can. 428 §1. When a see is vacant, nothing is to be altered. §2. Those who temporarily care for the governance of the diocese are forbidden to do anything which can be prejudicial in some way to the diocese or episcopal rights. They, and consequently all others, are specifically prohibited, whether personally or through another, from removing or destroying any documents of the diocesan curia or from changing anything in them. The archdiocese of Freiburg is vacant. Has been since September 17. Nobody in the diocese has the authority to make drastic disciplinary changes like that, even if the decision itself was not highly inappropriate (which, of course, it is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I like how Arfy is all laid-back most of the time, but when he gets into a debate he becomes super aggressive. :smile3: I believe Arfink is a good christian. He need not argue because st paul said "don't argue amongst other christians." words to that effect anyway, he need not argue he need only to discuss. :) :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Interestingly enough, it seems as if this German archdiocese's decision is canonically illegitimate anyway. Canon 428 says: Can. 428 §1. When a see is vacant, nothing is to be altered. §2. Those who temporarily care for the governance of the diocese are forbidden to do anything which can be prejudicial in some way to the diocese or episcopal rights. They, and consequently all others, are specifically prohibited, whether personally or through another, from removing or destroying any documents of the diocesan curia or from changing anything in them. The archdiocese of Freiburg is vacant. Has been since September 17. Nobody in the diocese has the authority to make drastic disciplinary changes like that, even if the decision itself was not highly inappropriate (which, of course, it is). That is a good point, but it is no secret that the German episcopate has wanted to give communion to divorced and remarried Catholics (i.e., those without an annulment) for years now. I believe Pope Francis spoke about reviewing the issue in his plane trip back from Brazil some months ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 That is a good point, but it is no secret that the German episcopate has wanted to give communion to divorced and remarried Catholics (i.e., those without an annulment) for years now. I believe Pope Francis spoke about reviewing the issue in his plane trip back from Brazil some months ago. Perhaps he will decide to depose the entire German episcopate and start fresh with more faithful hierarchs. :proud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Perhaps he will decide to depose the entire German episcopate and start fresh with more faithful hierarchs. :proud: Unlikely. I think it is more likely that he will change the Church's practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Unlikely. I think it is more likely that he will change the Church's practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 Unlikely. I think it is more likely that he will change the Church's practice. If you cover your eyes and ears you cannot read or hear what Pope Francis has said on the issue of divorced and remarried Catholics. Have you read the transcript of his words in the interview during the flight from Brazil to Rome? He wants the issue reviewed and speaks highly of Orthodox practice. Although an Orthodox priest I know told me that existing Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic practice are not that different, since the Eastern Orthodox Churches do not give communion to people who have remarried after getting only a civil divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 You are supposed to translate that to the common saying, dude. :sad2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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