Anastasia13 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 You would be surprised. Find me a source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arfink Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Find me a source. I have friends in Canada going through wedding prep who are currently documenting some of the things their own priest has been saying to them, and it's not far from the scenario I'm envisioning. I'm sure if I went digging I could find some in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I sincerely hope that under Pope Francis' tenure we move away from a rigid legalistic understanding of the Roman Catholic faith. I remain hopeful yet the possibility of the Holy Father writing another humanae vitae means that mine exuberance may be premature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Uhhh, I think you missed my point. If your priest denies the truth to you then you, having been denied access to the truth, cannot be culpable for actions you committed in good faith but based on the bad instruction given by your priest. Yes I misunderstood, forgive me. Still many conditions must exist for your example to be one of true invincible ignorance. For example the priest would have to be the sole source of the persons understanding of the Catholic Church and whatever particular teachings the priest rejects. And certainly there examples where the "well Father said it was ok, Father said it is good" excuse would not lessen or rid the person of culpability. No matter how much good faith is placed in the priest's false teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Humanae Vitae is a lovely document. :proud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 He should refrain from sexual activity with the second spouse. Well that makes for a very non-intimate marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Well that makes for a very non-intimate marriage. Incidentally, also very non-adulterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) Incidentally, also very non-adulterous. It depends which notion of adultery we are using. I am very aware of Jesus' words on the issue, but I tend to read them very hyperbolically. Edited October 10, 2013 by John Ryan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 It depends which notion of adultery we are using. I am very aware of Jesus' words on the issue, but I tend to read them very hyperbolically. How unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apteka Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Perhaps one day the Vatican will find itself teaching that contraception and abortion are permissible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Based on what I've read, I think Pope Francis is planning on reforms in the tribunal/annulment process more than allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion. I saw a quote where he said tribunals are not the proper place to deal with this issue, and the annulment process is not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Based on what I've read, I think Pope Francis is planning on reforms in the tribunal/annulment process more than allowing divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Communion. I saw a quote where he said tribunals are not the proper place to deal with this issue, and the annulment process is not working. That's been my view of it as well, in reading his comments. And honestly? I have to agree with the process not working as intended in some places. One of my mother's friends should probably not be "Catholic" and on her 4th marriage and in good standing with the Church due to three easily obtained annulments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 10, 2013 Author Share Posted October 10, 2013 I believe that the Holy Father will use the extraordinary synod to establish some change in the practice of denying communion to divorced and remarried Catholics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLT2erau3zo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 I have been wondering when they'd address this, as divorce and remarriage is so common and barring people from the sacraments isn't medicinal when the first offense was done out of ignorance and (often) without full culpability. People just aren't being taught properly. You could argue that the punishment is medicinal, and in some cases it is. However, I find it's more common that these people who have divorced and remarried were put into that position largely by poor instruction, and so using a punishment like this on them is a little like enforcing a law nobody's ever heard of. you would say full culbablity, no doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 (edited) thats all i got , st caroline chislom pray for us (chsitity not celibacy) http://youtu.be/SmM0653YvXU rememeber that , lay saint chaste, for real. Edited October 10, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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