fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I think the errors of watered-down or "beige Catholicism," as Fr. Barron calls it, are pretty obvious: to maintain it, one must constantly differentiate oneself from Our Lord, His saints, the Magisterium, or other Catholics with the phrase "I'm Catholic, but..." What greatly disturbs me, though, is their cold and spiny mirror image that I usually find to be more numerous throughout the Catholic blogosphere. I was brought into the Church from smells-and-bells Anglicanism, and when I see some purportedly more Catholic than I commentators rail overmuch against the Pope, the bishops, forms of worship, etc., it seems self-refuting. I guess it confuses me, since an aesthetically just-right ceremony with your least favorite doctrines and pastoral styles removed always struck me as High Church Protestantism, and these folks are so on fire for the Faith... Do they not realize that the Church has gone through so much worse, and that not every liturgy goes perfectly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 So...are you trying to say that hardcore traddies are more like conservative Anglicans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Ryan Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 What does Father Barron mean by the term "beige Catholic"? Is it akin to the pejorative "cafeteria Catholic" or is it more refined than that club metaphor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Wat. I can always count on Phatmass for the finest in commentary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 So...are you trying to say that hardcore traddies are more like conservative Anglicans? Yup. Sorry to waste everyone's time with another thread, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 But the last thing radical Catholic traditionalists would like to be seen as are Protestants, hence my wonder, hence posting this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Hard core Traddies are more like hard core Orthodox. Modern style Catholics are more like Protestants. This interpretation of recent church teaching fits the theology/philosophy/practice dejour, ergo, they follow it: Traddies don't tend to do that. Edited October 3, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Yeah, but the hardcore Orthodox are in the philosophical mold of the Byzantine Empire at its height, while the radical traditionalists are in the mold of... 1950s America (also a high watermark for Catholic influence, but not quite the same). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 (edited) Yeah, but the hardcore Orthodox are in the philosophical mold of the Byzantine Empire at its height, while the radical traditionalists are in the mold of... 1950s America (also a high watermark for Catholic influence, but not quite the same). It's ok. :console: Protestants change their philosophy with time, oft to the philosophy du jour, too. God does not love then any less for it. Edited October 3, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fons_vitae Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 It's ok. :console: Protestants change their philosophy with time, oft to the philosophy du jour, too. God does not love then any less for it. Yes, but a Catholic really can't. Ah, never mind. I believe the Lord guides the Church, regardless of the impending doom feared by naysayers of any era. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not The Philosopher Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 DOOM..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yes, but a Catholic really can't. Ah, never mind. I believe the Lord guides the Church, regardless of the impending doom feared by naysayers of any era. /thread You mean Ni sayers. http://youtu.be/WimNVaJkVXI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Yeah, but the hardcore Orthodox are in the philosophical mold of the Byzantine Empire at its height, while the radical traditionalists are in the mold of... 1950s America (also a high watermark for Catholic influence, but not quite the same). Sorry, but that is a load of American centric bull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I think the errors of watered-down or "beige Catholicism," as Fr. Barron calls it, are pretty obvious: to maintain it, one must constantly differentiate oneself from Our Lord, His saints, the Magisterium, or other Catholics with the phrase "I'm Catholic, but..." What greatly disturbs me, though, is their cold and spiny mirror image that I usually find to be more numerous throughout the Catholic blogosphere. I was brought into the Church from smells-and-bells Anglicanism, and when I see some purportedly more Catholic than I commentators rail overmuch against the Pope, the bishops, forms of worship, etc., it seems self-refuting. I guess it confuses me, since an aesthetically just-right ceremony with your least favorite doctrines and pastoral styles removed always struck me as High Church Protestantism, and these folks are so on fire for the Faith... Do they not realize that the Church has gone through so much worse, and that not every liturgy goes perfectly? Completely agree sir. Unfortunately those who use the <I'm Catholic but...> catch all phrase are justified in their own opinion and nothing much can be said to show their errors. They know their errors but don't consider them as such because they are allowed their opinion and that suffices them. The CCC does say the conscience is a person's highest authority, however, the CCC immediately afterwards says that one must exercise their conscience in order to keep it as morally good as possible. Afterwards, the CCC says that <il ne convient pas d'oppose sa conscience a la loi naturelle et universelle ni au magistere> (sorry, I know the CCC in French far more than in English, but the English paraphrase would be to the effect of <it is not convenient to oppose one's conscience to the natural and universal law nor to the magisterium>. I'm certain you can look these up for yourself. It would be a good exercise to do so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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