Pope Assures Rabbi Church Will Not Proselytize

[Apotheoun]

And you do know that the Novus Ordo is the ordinary form of liturgy for the Church, so it's a good place to do some lexorandi lex credendi analysis? 

No, it is not. It may be the "ordinary form" (or whatever) for the Roman Church, but the other 22 Catholic sui juris Churches do not use that modern form of liturgy. Eastern Catholics use our own ancient liturgies.

[Apotheoun]

The prayer references their covenant with God, and however we preach the gospel to them (or whatever words we use for it) has to be careful to reflect that reality. That's probably what Francis was doing when he said that the Church will not proselytize them. 

All the Old Testament covenants have been subsumed into the New and Everlasting Covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation comes only through Christ, and so there is no "separate" covenant for the modern Jews.

[Basilisa Marie]

No, it is not. It may be the "ordinary form" (or whatever) for the Roman Church, but the other 22 Catholic sui juris Churches do not use that modern form of liturgy. Eastern Catholics use our own ancient liturgies.

 

:rolleyes:

 

If you want to talk about the language of your rite, be my guest. 

[Basilisa Marie]

Multipost.   

 

Edited September 30, 2013 by Basilisa Marie

[Basilisa Marie]

All the Old Testament covenants have been subsumed into the New and Everlasting Covenant of our Lord Jesus Christ. Salvation comes only through Christ, and so there is no "separate" covenant for the modern Jews.

 

No, it's not a separate covenant, but they are still part of that covenant with God, and our efforts to preach the Gospel should bear that in mind. 

[Apotheoun]

No, it's not a separate covenant, but they are still part of that covenant with God, and our efforts to preach the Gospel should bear that in mind. 

The Old Testament covenants are subsumed into the New Testament covenant. It is only through Christ that men may approach God. Judaism as a religion no longer has validity. In fact, according to the Church Fathers the Church is the True Israel (i.e., it is the true Judaism). Rabbinic Judaism (i.e., modern Judaism) is not the continuation of the Old Testament religion; instead, Christianity (i.e., the Church) is the continuation of the People of God.

[Apotheoun]

:rolleyes:

 

If you want to talk about the language of your rite, be my guest. 

What does the language of my rite have to do with anything? I merely corrected your post, in which you said that the Novus Ordo is the "ordinary form" of the liturgy of the Church, when in fact it is only the liturgy of one particular sui juris Church, i.e. the Latin Church.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Apotheoun

[John Ryan]

I don't know what an Anonymous Christian is.

 

The "anonymous Christian" is a postulate by the renowned Jesuit theologian Karl Rahner to describe those who have never heard of Christ (or perhaps have a false understanding of who He is), but act Christian in the sense of an ethical ideal. They feed the sick, cloth the hungry, love their neighbor as themselves, forgive others, so on and so on. I understand an anonymous Christian as the Good Samaritan.

[Era Might]

The "anonymous Christian" is a postulate by the renowned Jesuit theologian Karl Rahner to describe those who have never heard of Christ (or perhaps have a false understanding of who He is), but act Christian in the sense of an ethical ideal. They feed the sick, cloth the hungry, love their neighbor as themselves, forgive others, so on and so on. I understand an anonymous Christian as the Good Samaritan.

 

hmmm I don't know about all that. That seems to be the complete opposite of what a Christian is. If there is such a thing as an "Anonymous Christian" it is not the one doing the feeding and the clothing, but the one being fed and clothed. We can also see the Good Samaritan as Christ himself. The prostitute and the tax collector could perhaps be spoken of as anonymous Christians, for they enter the kingdom before the pharisees.

[Apteka]

Religion (a word which predates Christianity) is simply the way of interacting with God (or with the gods, in its original context). As St. James says, Christianity is always a matter of the heart. True religion is not characterized by how many rituals you conduct, but whether you take care of orphans and widows. Christ desires mercy, not sacrifice. Ritual is something natural, something all humans create in many different contexts. Ritual is not necessarily a bad thing, but the message of the Gospel is about revealing the weightier matters of the law. The Gospel is not simply Judaism with Latin and incense. It is an entirely new revelation of Christ, of love, of sacrifice, of community, of suffering. As the Lord says, "God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

 

I don't know what an Anonymous Christian is.

 

Is Roman Catholicism "true religion"?

[Apteka]

The "anonymous Christian" is a postulate by the renowned Jesuit theologian Karl Rahner to describe those who have never heard of Christ (or perhaps have a false understanding of who He is), but act Christian in the sense of an ethical ideal. They feed the sick, cloth the hungry, love their neighbor as themselves, forgive others, so on and so on. I understand an anonymous Christian as the Good Samaritan.

 

Now John, correct me if I'm wrong, but according to Rahner these "anonymous Christians" are already saved and don't need conversion... is that right?

[Era Might]

Is Roman Catholicism "true religion"?

 

Is Pope Francis Roman Catholic?

[Apotheoun]

Is Pope Francis Roman Catholic?

That is an interesting question, but it does not answer the question asked of you.  :evil:

[Era Might]

That is an interesting question, but it does not answer the question asked of you.  :evil:

 

That's because I don't understand the question. True religion is friendship with Christ. Roman Catholicism is one tradition of living that friendship.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Era Might

[Apotheoun]

That's because I don't understand the question. True religion is friendship with Christ. Roman Catholicism is one tradition of living that friendship.

There you see that wasn't so hard, you answered the question. It probably is not a satisfactory answer to many Roman Catholics, but you did answer it.