Anastasia13 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Perhaps you should have to give a DNA sample to get a license. You have nothing to fear if you are innocent. Perhaps you can educate me on what your fear of government misuse is? Maybe we should object any time someone asks to see our IDs when we use credit cards. Edited September 27, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Perhaps you can educate me on what your fear of government misuse is? Maybe we should object any time someone asks to see our IDs when we use credit cards. Are you opposed to giving DNA to get a license? What is it that you fear? You aren't guilty of some crime that you are hiding are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Are you opposed to giving DNA to get a license? What is it that you fear? You aren't guilty of some crime that you are hiding are you? Failing to explain your view neither convinces me nor causes me to see my understanding from an unconsidered perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Why do I need to explain anything? I said "perhaps" people should have to give DNA samples. Then you asked me what I have to fear. I never mentioned fear in my first post, which is why I asked you what you have to fear. Edited September 27, 2013 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Why do I need to explain anything? I said "perhaps" people should have to give DNA samples. Then you asked me what I have to fear. I never mentioned fear in my first post, which is why I asked you what you have to fear. Ok. Do you think they should give DNA samples? Why or why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) driving is a privilege not a right. its that simple. walking is a right. you have the right to walk if you want to. although driving a vehicle is not a right. From a California State DL application: NOTE: When you sign your application for an instruction permit/driver license, you agree to submit to a chemical test to determine the alcohol or drug content of your blood when required by a peace officer. If you refuse to sign this statement on your driver license application, DMV will not issue a permit or license. Edited September 27, 2013 by Light and Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Perhaps you're unaware but these road blocks are set in places at times where it's impossible to avoid (e.g. making U-turn is illegal.) And yes, stopping a person without reasonable cause is and infringement. Is the guy in front of you whose stopped at a stop sign even though no one is coming violating your fourth amendment rights? Where did this idea come from that you have the right to drive down the road completely unimpeded? I just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrossCuT Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Is the guy in front of you whose stopped at a stop sign even though no one is coming violating your fourth amendment rights? rotfl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 From a California State DL application: NOTE: When you sign your application for an instruction permit/driver license, you agree to submit to a chemical test to determine the alcohol or drug content of your blood when required by a peace officer. If you refuse to sign this statement on your driver license application, DMV will not issue a permit or license. Question: what the heck is a peace officer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 driving is a privilege not a right. its that simple. walking is a right. you have the right to walk if you want to. although driving a vehicle is not a right. also stop using the slippery slope argument, it just looks bad. someone saying that DUI check points are not saying its also ok for the government to put a micro tracking chip in every person. all forms of government need, repeat need to provide someone level of safety for its citizens. its one of the governments actual purposes. the truth is millions of people drink and drive and only a small fraction of them get caught. that's the truth. how many people after 1 or 2 or 3 beers thinks they are ok to drive home and does and never gets caught. the fact is, as a whole, this country has a major problem with drinking and driving and so many people can not use common sense to either let someone else drive them home, walk or catch a cab. ever think that maybe if more citizens were not stupid and drove drunk, maybe we would have no need for these check points? you want to blame someone for the check points, blame the citizens. The "privilege vs right" argument is one of the worst strawmen out there. As was stated earlier these DUI checkpoints don't really stop DUI's, they are an excuse for COPS to raise money and make quotas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havok579257 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 The "privilege vs right" argument is one of the worst strawmen out there. As was stated earlier these DUI checkpoints don't really stop DUI's, they are an excuse for COPS to raise money and make quotas. actually they do stop dui's. unless your going to argue that no one ever gets arrested for dui at these checkpoints. to claim such disregards facts. so your wrong here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 actually they do stop dui's. unless your going to argue that no one ever gets arrested for dui at these checkpoints. to claim such disregards facts. so your wrong here. A simple google search brings up a plethora of quantifiable data showing the statistical insignificance of checkpoints Pennsylvania Geisler says that in Pennsylvania, 220,000 drivers passed through DUI checkpoints during the same time period, and 1% of drivers were charged with DUI, and another 2.5% of drivers received a citation of some other type. Virginia and California: A handful of studies have confirmed that checkpoints are not as efficient as simple roving patrols are. In 2009, officers in the great state of California stopped nearly 1.8 million drivers at DUI checkpoints. Just over 5,000 individuals were arrested, meaning there was a success rate of around .45 percent. That’s not 45 percent – it’s .45 percent. In the same state during the same calendar year, roving patrols had a 14.7 percent rate in finding drunk drivers, as over 5,800 drunk drivers were arrested after roving patrols checked out nearly 40,000 vehicles. In 2007, the Commonwealth of Virginia had a .33 percent checkpoint success rate. When it came to the roving patrol units, there was an 8.1 percent success rate in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r2Dtoo Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 The "privilege vs right" argument is one of the worst strawmen out there. As was stated earlier these DUI checkpoints don't really stop DUI's, they are an excuse for COPS to raise money and make quotas. You act as if 1 in 250 is the same thing as 1 in a million. 1 in 250 is quite a lot actually. I used to drive regularly at 2 o'clock in morning through police check points along interstate 64. There was always somebody pulled over trying to walk in a straight line. With me, they would always just ask where I was coming from and where I was going, and then send me on my way. I never even remember them asking me for my license or registration, or running my plate number to check for insurance lapse or anything else. I don't know what all the fuss is over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semper Catholic Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 You act as if 1 in 250 is the same thing as 1 in a million. 1 in 250 is quite a lot actually. I used to drive regularly at 2 o'clock in morning through police check points along interstate 64. There was always somebody pulled over trying to walk in a straight line. With me, they would always just ask where I was coming from and where I was going, and then send me on my way. I never even remember them asking me for my license or registration, or running my plate number to check for insurance lapse or anything else. I don't know what all the fuss is over this. LOL. "They never bother me so I'm ok with it" Let me guess you're a middle aged white guy who drives a volvo or suv and has a religious bumper sticker? Sorry bud the cops probably aren't going to waste to much time on you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToJesusMyHeart Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Why do Phishy people stay on Phatmass? I don't get it. Too much time on your hands so you need to cause drama on an orthodox Catholic website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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