Dui Checkpoint Refusal

[Apteka]

Do you think a quick stop for a DUI checkpoint is crossing the line? The purpose of that is to prevent DUI related deaths. Is the inconvenience too much for you? I know your question is  broad, but the specific circumstance in this thread concerns DUI checkpoints.

 

Are you familiar with the statistics of these stops? When you look into the numbers, maybe 1 out of 250 stops results in a DUI arrest. More offenses are tallied for minor chargeable offenses, e.g. outdated insurance card. Thing seems more like a Police Department fundraiser to me...

[Nihil Obstat]

 I realize I read your post wrong initially, sorry! :hehe2:

 

But the fact still remains. Asking for receipts could potentially be treated similarly..afterall you could accuse them of suspecting you of shoplifting. But do they really have the right to do that? However it happens all the time and people never freak out...at least decent people I suppose.

 

Do you often refuse to talk to grocery clerks? I find that extremely rude. I have had multiple jobs working in the retail business and I can assure you that kindness goes a long way from customers. 

 

 

Usually I don't associate with the police. I could probably claim the 5th amendment to not answer questions. If they had to search my home or something, that would probably be through a search warrant obtained not simply through police but through a judge. Similar things could happen with the FBI, border patrol if I lived in the wrong neighborhood (and sometimes the alternative to neighborhood A is living on the streets), the CIA, IRS (better have a low audit chance on your taxes!), etc.  Am I to take issue with the entire justice system and possibly then some?

So can you or can you not refuse to associate with the police? Nope - they can come anyway and force you to do what they say.

Can you refuse to associate with the Costco bag checker? Yes; do not shop at Costco.

[CatherineM]

I suppose I'd be more against these checkpoints except for two points. One, they are announced ahead of time, so people can avoid them. Second, they always, always catch drunk drivers.

My brother John had his neck broken by a drunk driver. Thankfully he wasn't paralyzed and only spent a few months in a halo.

[PhuturePriest]

So can you or can you not refuse to associate with the police? Nope - they can come anyway and force you to do what they say.

Can you refuse to associate with the Costco bag checker? Yes; do not shop at Costco.

 

I totally said this in my previous post. I'm becoming an anarchist...

 

 

There's a difference with this store analogy. A store is privately owned and cannot run your life. If one store has really strict policies and you don't like it, you can go to another with less policies. You can't do that with the government.

 

I'm not saying DUI-checkpoints are the Devil, I'm simply stating the analogy you are using fails.

 

 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 I realize I read your post wrong initially, sorry! :hehe2:

 

But the fact still remains. Asking for receipts could potentially be treated similarly..afterall you could accuse them of suspecting you of shoplifting. But do they really have the right to do that? However it happens all the time and people never freak out...at least decent people I suppose.

 

Do you often refuse to talk to grocery clerks? I find that extremely rude. I have had multiple jobs working in the retail business and I can assure you that kindness goes a long way from customers. 

 

 

I gave you the props for kindness goes a long way. :) Because it does. But you still don't have to talk to absolutely everyone if you don't wan't to or feel up to it. :)

Edited September 27, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Anastasia13]

I suppose I'd be more against these checkpoints except for two points. One, they are announced ahead of time, so people can avoid them.

Sounds familiar. So the only reason you cannot take a certain path around the DUI is an unwillingness to take responsibility for your own path in life and find another way?

 

So can you or can you not refuse to associate with the police? Nope - they can come anyway and force you to do what they say.

Can you refuse to associate with the Costco bag checker? Yes; do not shop at Costco.

So it's nothing to do with the DUI checkpoint or anything related to the driving, you just don't like that you can't completely avoid the government?

 

Like I said, http://www.startamicronation.info/

[Apotheoun]

We could probably catch a lot of criminals if the government required everyone to give a DNA sample.

[Anastasia13]

I wouldn't have an issue with stopping for a few minutes. But it needs to be revised a bit, because as Apotheoun says, it's never just a "few minutes". This also doesn't account for the fact that sometimes cops can just be jackasses when they pull you over. 

 

I understand that people die from DUI-related accidents. I'd rather not have anyone die. But I take issue with the fact that you are saying people don't want to be pulled over because they are selfish. If that's why they didn't want DUI checkpoints, I'd be with you. But that is not why many do not want to be stopped at DUI checkpoints.

 

I take issue with the fact that people complain about being pulled over but are pulled over simply because they are too lazy to drive another way.

 

And for me, it was only as only a few minutes. The biggest delay was traffic. Imagine that, traffic on a road that normally had a certain amount of traffic?

[Anastasia13]

We could probably catch a lot of criminals if the government required everyone to give a DNA sample.

 

I see a lot more ways that giving DNA can be misused than I do showing my license.

[Anastasia13]

http://youtu.be/CMLgEnDGkG4

[Nihil Obstat]

So it's nothing to do with the DUI checkpoint or anything related to the driving, you just don't like that you can't completely avoid the government?
 
Like I said, http://www.startamicronation.info/

Yes and no. I object philosophically to a quasi-military police force funded coercively with the statutory power to steal, attack, confine, etc..

I do not hate the people who are a part of the system. We established that earlier. I know several police officers whom I think are excellent people. But Ultimately I do believe that the system they work for is not just.

Just the same as I believe that ultimately soldiers who participate in an unjust war are behaving immorally, though the individual may or may not be entirely culpable, and they may be very nice people.

[Anastasia13]

I totally said this in my previous post. I'm becoming an anarchist...

 

What is the difference between anarchy and chaos?

[Nihil Obstat]

I see a lot more ways that giving DNA can be misused than I do showing my license.

But you would be safer! Would you not do whatever it takes to be safe??

[Nihil Obstat]

What is the difference between anarchy and chaos?

Etymologically? Philosophically? Linguistically? 

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I see a lot more ways that giving DNA can be misused than I do showing my license.

 

 

The problem with a D.N.A data base is you can be framed a lot easier, somone can prick you with a tiny little needle anywhere anytime. There is a new free gaming machine(slot machine) download for mobile phones that is popular on the net and if you don't read the fine print it says if you download it they can access your phone numbers on your phone. I had a friend download it and i tried to make a call to the post office and it went to some random voice over instead of the post office, i hung up before it went to far but i could tell it was a porn gig, my phone number had been stolen legally because the guy gave the web app permission to do so, wittingly or un wittingly it is dangerous and wrong. So what is my point? My point is there is a thin line between liberty and anarchy, don't give your rites up for a false liberty that is actually anarchy, a simple free slot machine app in the name of liberty is actually allowing others to invade the lives of your friends and family.

Edited September 27, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye