Dui Checkpoint Refusal

[Nihil Obstat]

And sometimes, though we may differ in opinions on how often, they behave aggressively towards people who deserve to be left alone.

The question is when aggression is justified and when it is not. How do we justify aggression? Not by consequentialism, we know that as Catholics.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I contracted viral encephalitis back in 2007, and suffered nerve damage to the left side of my body. I now have tremors in my left arm and leg and so there is no way I could pass a test that requires that I balance on one foot.

 

 

I think and i may be wrong that in australia they breathalyze 1st and do the stunts 2nd only if unsure. Which for somone with your condition or something similar would eliminate the embarrassing tests and being taken back to the station because of a disability or like somone said serious nerves,anxiety etc etc which are also can be debilitating to some degree or another..

Edited September 27, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[CrossCuT]

I got stopped by the police once, taken out and frisked, etc. I complied with every request. Turns out that a truck like mine had been involved in a hit and run that killed a child. They thanked me for my cooperation and sent me on my way. It's a form of being a good citizen and having good manners.

If I'm ever asked to take a breathalyzer, I will request a blood test instead. That can be double checked later.

 

Thank  you Catherine. It can be extremely inconvenient somtimes but it is for safety purposes. People die because of drunk drivers and i think if everyone stopped being selfish, stepped outside of themselves for just ONE moment, and complied, things will be safer.

[Apteka]

Is that what they do?

 

Cops never infringe on people's rights.

[Apotheoun]

I have found it easier to pull into a parking lot, and then take a different route home. The city I live in does not have enough police officers to block off every road.

[Anastasia13]

And sometimes, though we may differ in opinions on how often, they behave aggressively towards people who deserve to be left alone.

The question is when aggression is justified and when it is not. How do we justify aggression? Not by consequentialism, we know that as Catholics.

 

I could say the same about people who check bags and receipts at places like Costco and Sam's Club.

[Apotheoun]

I could say the same about people who check bags and receipts at places like Costco and Sam's Club.

Wow! They actually check your cart at the Sam's Club you go to? The one I go to the person glances at the receipt and cart for like 2 seconds and lets you go.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

And sometimes, though we may differ in opinions on how often, they behave aggressively towards people who deserve to be left alone.

The question is when aggression is justified and when it is not. How do we justify aggression? Not by consequentialism, we know that as Catholics.

 

 

Verabl aggression can be very intimidating not just violence, and i do understand there humans but there in a very high roll model position like a priest and need to be very care full.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I could say the same about people who check bags and receipts at places like Costco and Sam's Club.

 

 

Everyone is a roll model to a degree, but costco checkout operators to a lesser degree then police oficers.

[CrossCuT]

And sometimes, though we may differ in opinions on how often, they behave aggressively towards people who deserve to be left alone.

The question is when aggression is justified and when it is not. How do we justify aggression? Not by consequentialism, we know that as Catholics.

 

I dont think any of the officers (minus probably the first one in the first video) were aggressive at all. They were doing their job.  And the only reason the original officer was raising his voice was because the man was simply being a s#$% head.

 

Like I said before, the whole purpose of the check is to keep safety as a primary goal. If someone has a problem with that, then i dont know what to say. People die to drunk drivers because some people are not responsible enough to know their limits. If I have to be stopped so that everyone on the road can be more safe and potentially avoid someone losing their life, I WILL comply. 

[Nihil Obstat]

I could say the same about people who check bags and receipts at places like Costco and Sam's Club.

And of these groups of people, which can you decline to associate with, and have that wish respected?

[CrossCuT]

And of these groups of people, which can you decline to associate with, and have that wish respected?

 

I hope you respect everyone Nihil. Just because someone works at a grocery store doesnt mean they deserve less respect or you can shrug them off.

If someone asks for my receipt at the grocery store I dont throw my hands up in the air and start screaming about suspicion of a crime rofl, I show them the damn receipt. 

[Anastasia13]

Everyone is a roll model to a degree, but costco checkout operators to a lesser degree then police officers.

 

A driver has to stop and answer or show they they are not drunk driving.

 

A disabled woman with a cane and a roller bag has to stop and expose her medications to a store attendant to show that she did not steal.

 

Is the problem the check point or the attitude of the cops?

 

Even if it is the attitude of the cops, it does not excuse having a bad attitude about things.

 

So many people (not just here) hate or greatly dislike cops, but they are among those that deal with some of the ugliest side of humanity and still try to protect people. They are among those that find drug dealers who get their kids high from environmental exposure and put these dealers into jail. They are among those that deal with gory murder scenes and arrest people willingly endanger themselves and others. No one makes them get up every day to do a job that sometimes risks their own lives to do things like that any more than you are faced with the obligation to do your own career. Can we maybe have a little compassion and if needed try too solve the problem instead of just saying that x or y are jerks?

[PhuturePriest]

Thank  you Catherine. It can be extremely inconvenient somtimes but it is for safety purposes. People die because of drunk drivers and i think if everyone stopped being selfish, stepped outside of themselves for just ONE moment, and complied, things will be safer.

 

My question is where we draw the line. If we keep saying "Just comply. It's for everyone's safety." the government can do whatever it wants, including listening into phone calls, reading emails, watching where you go on the internet, take guns away, etc, all in the name of "safety". I'm not saying there's a right to drunk driving or that we shouldn't pull over people whose driving is looking questionable. But we have rights and they are there for a reason.

 

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

Edited September 27, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[Anastasia13]

And of these groups of people, which can you decline to associate with, and have that wish respected?

 

DUI checker: typically speaking, no one forces any of us to get behind the wheel of a car.

Door checker: typically speaking, no one forces us to go to a certain store.

 

Can driving make our lives easier? Yes.

Can shopping at a bulk discount store make our lives easier? Yes.