Dui Checkpoint Refusal

[PhuturePriest]

Can't big government people at least support efficiency? Or does everything has to be done as inefficiently as possible?

 

If it's done by the government it has no choice in the matter.

Edited September 28, 2013 by FuturePriest387

[havok579257]

Can't big government people at least support efficiency? Or does everything has to be done as inefficiently as possible?

 

 

this is what bothers me about people who are anti-government.  Its if someone supports "anything and I mean any little thing" the government does, they are automatically a supporter of big government.  Sorry, but everyone does not fit into you preconseved notions.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Under the influence and a smart ass: Experience is a good teacher, no?

 

Did you seek parental or legal council for your situation when this happened or quickly after?

 

 

I will tell you the story quickly just to show in my own defence that i wasn't an insistent smart arse . Me and some people where smoking marijuana (don't smoke marijuana) under a bridge near some storm water drains, and the cops showed up and i put the smoking device(bong) down my pantaloons, they searched me and said what is this ( of course they knew and didn't need to ask the question and where baiting me) and i took the bait and said it was an indian drinking water bottle, and then they attacked me physically and verbally, although i offered  no resistance except the comment i was shocked when the police officer tried to slam my head against the police cars roof and i resisted without any violence just locking my body with my neck to stop the impact on the car roof out of fear and shock as to what was happening to me.

Edited September 28, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Lilllabettt]

no kidding. cops hate it when you lie to them. they hate it when people try to be tricky. don't ever lie to cops. if telling the truth will get you in trouble, stick with silence.

[r2Dtoo]

Really, that guy is the jerk? Not all the arse portal cops that actually smashed his window and arrested him for no reason?


Statistics cited earlier showed they are essentially useless. They are not needed.

Pretty much, yeah. Cops are arse holes for a reason, and if you're dumb enough to try and play games with them they'll arrest you.

I mean, he could've just rolled the window down. Why is that so hard?

[Winchester]

well obamacare is legal.  so people who enforce it are not committing an illegal act.  If its moral is another question.  Although by law, it is law, so its not illegal.  So are dui checkpoint.  So to argue they are illegal makes no sense.  According to law they are legal.  Moral is a different question.  Although legal, its black and white.

Legislation =/= Law for those who are not legal positivists.

 

Apart from that, obamacare is unconstitutional because it is not within the enumerated powers of the Federal government to compel people to purchase insurance. I am aware of the elastic clause defenses, and the lark about it being taxation and therefore constitutional.

[blazeingstar]

Pretty much, yeah. Cops are arse holes for a reason, and if you're dumb enough to try and play games with them they'll arrest you.

I mean, he could've just rolled the window down. Why is that so hard?

 

Seriously?

 

My bro's a cop and I really resent when all are colored as arse holes.  

 

But at the same time, I agree...don't play games with them.  The guy in the video is a total tool.  He's being a jerk, and I think that while the cop was over the top, the guy should of been prepared.

 

Traffic blocks are not JUST about catching drunk drivers in the now.  And anyone who cites those statistics are only looking at part of the picture.  They provide a sense of security to many that the cops are trying to target drunks.  They allow the cops to run plates to see if someone is driving on a suspended license or wanted for other crimes.  They warn potential drunk drivers that this is serious business and they are out to get you.  They create a good tension for business in the area who might choose selling alcohol to a visibly intoxicated person a reason to choose morals over money.

 

Cops have a tough job.  And they hate bad guys.  They hate pulling a guy off of a woman after he's beaten her...or dressing a knife wound after a woman's stabbed her boyfriend.  They hate seeing little children with week old diapers.  They hate seeing parents who don't know what to do with an out of control teen who's just beaten the entire family.  They hate to threaten a family to remove children because of an abusive senile grandparent.  (domestic disturbances make up most of their calls).  Traffic is another problem.  Every stop is heartstoping.  What if the guy going 50 in a 15mph school zone is high on something and has a gun?  What if the person who has an arrest record a mile long is looking for a fight?  Then there is the war on drugs which is something way more than about dope...its about drugs that can make one psycotoic...like bathsalts.

 

 

And now, there is a rise in a horrible "suicide by cop" where someone intentionally does something that will get the cop's attention...like shooting at a cop or putting a gun to an innocent persons head...to try and get the cop to kill them.

 

Yet cops often get paid as much as teachers.  True advancement is minimal and tedious.  Most cops, I'd say atleast 70% are in it for the right reasons.  Maybe 25% don't care but do a good job. The other 5% are truly corrupt.  But I think that is probably on par, or better then most workplaces.

[Apteka]

But at the same time, I agree...don't play games with them.  The guy in the video is a total tool.  He's being a jerk, and I think that while the cop was over the top, the guy should of been prepared.

 

I suppose exercising your rights can be considered being a jerk, and furthermore, may even cost you your property and a felony.

 

Traffic blocks are not JUST about catching drunk drivers in the now.  And anyone who cites those statistics are only looking at part of the picture.  They provide a sense of security to many that the cops are trying to target drunks.  They allow the cops to run plates to see if someone is driving on a suspended license or wanted for other crimes.  They warn potential drunk drivers that this is serious business and they are out to get you.  They create a good tension for business in the area who might choose selling alcohol to a visibly intoxicated person a reason to choose morals over money.

 

Yea the problem with this is that Cops are not allowed to do that. The Supreme Court already ruled that police are not allowed to do random checks of vehicles for license validity and check for unsafe vehicles. What we have here is exactly that, random checks under the guise of a dui checkpoint. Because so few people are actually arrested for DUI, and most tickets are for minor chargeable offenses, the common opinion is that this is akin to a fundraiser.

 

Cops have a tough job.  And they hate bad guys.  They hate pulling a guy off of a woman after he's beaten her...or dressing a knife wound after a woman's stabbed her boyfriend.  They hate seeing little children with week old diapers.  They hate seeing parents who don't know what to do with an out of control teen who's just beaten the entire family.  They hate to threaten a family to remove children because of an abusive senile grandparent.  (domestic disturbances make up most of their calls).  Traffic is another problem.  Every stop is heartstoping.  What if the guy going 50 in a 15mph school zone is high on something and has a gun?  What if the person who has an arrest record a mile long is looking for a fight?  Then there is the war on drugs which is something way more than about dope...its about drugs that can make one psycotoic...like bathsalts.

 

Yea, their job can be tough, but what does this have to do with our rights as citizens?

 

Yet cops often get paid as much as teachers.  True advancement is minimal and tedious.  Most cops, I'd say atleast 70% are in it for the right reasons.  Maybe 25% don't care but do a good job. The other 5% are truly corrupt.  But I think that is probably on par, or better then most workplaces.

 

Cops in my area do quite well, and crime is rather low. Most cops can retire in twenty or so years with half their salary as a pension. I hear, though can't confirm, that some are promote relatively close to their retirement, that way their pension goes up. I actually had to slap myself into remember that these magical things called pensions still exist for some! Oh, and where does the money come for these pensions? That's right, taxes. Sadly, I live in the most taxed state, and a significant portion of those taxes goes to supporting folks who no longer work.

[Apteka]

Could this motorist have avoided the check point?

 

[youtube] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG7niM9PzeE [/youtube]

[BG45]

Ah checkpoints, I've been stopped at two and cooperated at both, rather than be a jerk about it.  The first was a DUI checkpoint which was set up between two streets, my house was down the first street, so I signaled to turn and the cops moved a cruiser in front of me to block my turn and one behind me and then ordered me out of the car and started screaming for an explanation.  As I directed them to my insurance and such, I told them I lived on that street.  Then when they allowed me to carefully pull out my ID, they saw I was telling the truth.  I was told sternly to go through the DUI checkpoint the next time and take a longer way home so it didn't look like I was running from the pigs fine officers of the local PD at home which have been charged with federal corruption charges in the past year and for abusing suspects and had their last two police chiefs fired for corruption and are currently under investigation by the feds for extortion again.

 

The second was far more civil.  The State Police were checking everyone's back seat and trunks, because a man had escaped confinement.  I offered the officer my ID, he thanked me, explained the situation, and asked if I'd pop the trunk for him.  I did.  He looked for around one second to make sure there was no one, shut the trunk, walked back to my window and thanked me for my courtesy and told me to have a good day.  The guy who had been in front of me had been a real jerk and it took ten minutes to process him, it took two minutes to get me through; most of it was just the officer and I being polite.  

 

no kidding. cops hate it when you lie to them. they hate it when people try to be tricky. don't ever lie to cops. if telling the truth will get you in trouble, stick with silence.

 

Not necessarily...my example isn't just run of the mill things like DUI though, so I imagine if someone's not been shooting off their mouth at the cops first, they'd be fine like your post says.  In Salinas v. Texas, the Supreme Court held this year that if you've already answered in the affirmative to something relating to a possible crime, haven't been read your Miranda warnings, and aren't even technically under arrest yet, and you refuse to answer questions after being Mirandized, your silence can be used against you by the prosecution later.

[BG45]

Also, apologies for not doing more than skimming this topic, it's too much like being at my paying job. :P

[Semper Catholic]

Seriously?

 

My bro's a cop and I really resent when all are colored as arse holes.  

 

But at the same time, I agree...don't play games with them.  The guy in the video is a total tool.  He's being a jerk, and I think that while the cop was over the top, the guy should of been prepared.

 

Traffic blocks are not JUST about catching drunk drivers in the now.  And anyone who cites those statistics are only looking at part of the picture.  They provide a sense of security to many that the cops are trying to target drunks.  They allow the cops to run plates to see if someone is driving on a suspended license or wanted for other crimes.  They warn potential drunk drivers that this is serious business and they are out to get you.  They create a good tension for business in the area who might choose selling alcohol to a visibly intoxicated person a reason to choose morals over money.

 

Cops have a tough job.  And they hate bad guys.  They hate pulling a guy off of a woman after he's beaten her...or dressing a knife wound after a woman's stabbed her boyfriend.  They hate seeing little children with week old diapers.  They hate seeing parents who don't know what to do with an out of control teen who's just beaten the entire family.  They hate to threaten a family to remove children because of an abusive senile grandparent.  (domestic disturbances make up most of their calls).  Traffic is another problem.  Every stop is heartstoping.  What if the guy going 50 in a 15mph school zone is high on something and has a gun?  What if the person who has an arrest record a mile long is looking for a fight?  Then there is the war on drugs which is something way more than about dope...its about drugs that can make one psycotoic...like bathsalts.

 

 

And now, there is a rise in a horrible "suicide by cop" where someone intentionally does something that will get the cop's attention...like shooting at a cop or putting a gun to an innocent persons head...to try and get the cop to kill them.

 

Yet cops often get paid as much as teachers.  True advancement is minimal and tedious.  Most cops, I'd say atleast 70% are in it for the right reasons.  Maybe 25% don't care but do a good job. The other 5% are truly corrupt.  But I think that is probably on par, or better then most workplaces.

 

Or what if someone is just looking for help after they just get in a car accident?

 

http://news.yahoo.com/ferrell-kerrick-police-unarmed-shooting-charlotte-191520307.html

 

 

 

Guess what? Knowing your rights and protecting yourself isn't against the law no matter how much of a "jerk" you come off as being.

 

Also guess what? We have Marines and Soldiers fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan being paid half this much and putting themselves in real danger everyday. I'm sorry but the "erryday might be muh last, 'murrica" defense just doesn't fly with me when the majority of these cops are Barney Fife's who call for 4 squad cars worth of backup every time they pull someone over.

[havok579257]

so my questions is why do the majority of people who get stopped who "know there rights" act like a jerk the instance they have to deal with the police. just because someone is right does not mean they need to act like a jerk about it.  maybe this is why people don't sympathize with these people.  cause its one thing to calmly tell the cops about your rights at checkpoints and traffic stops and another thing to have a panic attack the minute you see a police officer.

[Apteka]

Ah checkpoints, I've been stopped at two and cooperated at both, rather than be a jerk about it.  The first was a DUI checkpoint which was set up between two streets, my house was down the first street, so I signaled to turn and the cops moved a cruiser in front of me to block my turn and one behind me and then ordered me out of the car and started screaming for an explanation.  As I directed them to my insurance and such, I told them I lived on that street.  Then when they allowed me to carefully pull out my ID, they saw I was telling the truth.  I was told sternly to go through the DUI checkpoint the next time and take a longer way home so it didn't look like I was running from the pigs fine officers of the local PD at home which have been charged with federal corruption charges in the past year and for abusing suspects and had their last two police chiefs fired for corruption and are currently under investigation by the feds for extortion again.

 

I thought the checkpoint was "voluntary"...

[Apteka]

Don't be a jerk. Respect line. Just obey.