cmaD2006 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I find it funny that they stay anonymous ... there's no way to report the site to the appropriate Bishop! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) Some of the comments on that blog are not Catholic-friendly. The blog's author makes some very valid points to consider - the immorality on college campuses, the high cost of a college education that leaves graduates in debt for years (which, yes, can impact religious vocations). However, this is something that affects not only women, but men as well. So, an alternate solution would be to attend community colleges and commuter colleges (not only do they cost less, but living at home as opposed to in a dormitory situation can lessen the occasions of the temptations that the author is concerned about). Additionally, there are scholarship opportunities, and some companies offer tuition reimbursement for employees for college courses. However, reading between the lines, I think the greater issue is whether he believes women should be in the workforce in the first place (and yes, I have encountered Catholics who are against women in the workforce). <Sigh> Went to college. Graduated debt-free. Same here. I went to a commuter college and worked almost full-time. My sister went to college and never even got a job. She just got married and everything has been peachy ever since. Now her children will have a theologian for a mother, which is always a bonus. To play "devil's advocate", how much college debt does she have, or did she marry a rich options trader at the board of trade who paid it all off already? Or (again playing devil's advocate), will they be using NFP illicitly to limit the number of children in order to pay off student debt, but a house, and save for their kids' educations? (I'm just parroting the thinking of the blog's author). Edited September 15, 2013 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) I find it funny that they stay anonymous ... there's no way to report the site to the appropriate Bishop! Actually, if you click on the "About" and "Bios" tabs, they give their names, pictures, and general locations (as well as the parish info for the other blog contributor), so they are not completely anonymous. Edited September 15, 2013 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 College is overrated, and I say this as a person with multiple college degrees. A person (male or female) should go to college because they have a real desire to study a particular subject. Otherwise they should just look for work and live life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted September 15, 2013 Author Share Posted September 15, 2013 Some of the comments on that blog are not Catholic-friendly. The blog's author makes some very valid points to consider - the immorality on college campuses, the high cost of a college education that leaves graduates in debt for years (which, yes, can impact religious vocations). However, this is something that affects not only women, but men as well. So, an alternate solution would be to attend community colleges and commuter colleges (not only do they cost less, but living at home as opposed to in a dormitory situation can lessen the occasions of the temptations that the author is concerned about). Additionally, there are scholarship opportunities, and some companies offer tuition reimbursement for employees for college courses. However, reading between the lines, I think the greater issue is whether he believes women should be in the workforce in the first place. Same here. I went to a commuter college and worked almost full-time. To play "devil's advocate", how much college debt does she have, or did she marry a rich options trader at the board of trade who paid it all off already? Or (again playing devil's advocate), will they be using NFP illicitly to limit the number of children in order to pay off student debt, but a house, and save for their kids' educations? (I'm just parroting the thinking of the blog's author). She still has sizable college debt, her husband (Who went to college with her) is a manager at Wal-Mart, so he's not a particularly rich guy, and they got pregnant within a month of being married. They just had the baby a few weeks ago, in fact. Her husband thinks the perfect number of children is between 8 and 12, and she seems to agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Additionally, if you read Proverbs 31, you will find that the ideal woman can juggle both raising a family and contributing to the family income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I am so appalled and sickened I don't know where to start. The sad thing is that I HAVE met people like the ones running that website.... and they are really serious and mean what they are saying. And they made it clear to me that they didn't want someone like ME teaching in their school... because I had a degree from a secular college, so by definition MUST be tainted. And I watch TV. And get on the INTERNET. I wonder what Edith Stein (St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross) would have made of this article. I would have LOVED to have watched her slice and dice that article. Because she definitely thought women should be educated, and that it was KEY to creating the kind of wife and mother they seem to think is important! Of course.... most people are kinda surprised to find out that Edith stein is considered a feminist! Even by conservative standards! And that she LECTURED about it after her conversion to Catholicism, WROTE about it.... The irony is that when she first entered the Carmelites, her prioress couldn't figure out what to do with her because she was so hopeless at housework. Took the bishoip to straighten out her prioress. So.... I guess the authors of the article have a point... if you want to create the vision of feminine beauty THEY want to see, don't send your daughters to college!!! or your sons, either! But keep 'em away from the Amish, because they might just convert...... (I hope you all can hear my sarcasm....) And the there is this: When I went to counseling school, one of the classes I had to take was an overview of all sorts of different 'theories' of counseling. And we were encouraged to figure out which one or ones matched what we wanted to use in our own counseling work. I was very dubious when I saw 'Feminist Counseling' on the list... and MORE THAN SURPRISED to find out that this fairly conservative Catholic (well, Middle of the Road around here, but still!) truly identified with that school! And use a lot of its theories in my career practice. Why? Because it is NOT what they are claiming it is.. .they don't have a clue. It matches what Edith Stein and JPII and Pope Francis are saying about the role and dignity of women. That all of us deserve to have equal chances at education and work. That there is dignity in living out our lives for God using the gifts and talents that we have. That different people need different training and opportunities... and it is NOT ok to preclude (make impossible before even starting) someone from a career by refusing them education, opportunities, etc. Just because SOME people have used that to advocate for birth control, inappropriate sexuality and workaholism does NOT make it part of the actual theory. AND it applies to men as much as women. Grrrrrrrrrrr.! And... I have run into more than a few people who have gone to seminary or convents and have acquired a TON of debt. Or whose community has required them to get an inappropriate education before entering and then caterwauled about the debt they had incurred. There are opportunities like 2 year colleges or 1-2 year technical programs that will give a person -- male or female -- skills and training and opportunities for getting decent work from the get go. No one has to incur a TON of debt in getting a college or similar education. BUT that education can be priceless in preparing them to be a good spouse or a good parent. And a good Catholic. Sorry for the rant, but GEEEEZZZZZZ! FP, I agree... what you are seeing in that article is a rant against the debt they have, the lack of opportunities they have.... and probably is at least in part aggravated by a few weeks of new-baby-wakes-me-up-all-night syndrome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicsAreKewl Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 (edited) You guys are being too harsh. I'm sure they'd be okay with the idea if women were taking more relevant courses like knitting, child psychology, and intro to setting a table. Edited September 15, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnneLine Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 CHILD PSYCHOLOGY!!!!! They'd get... FREUD!!!!!! And.... SEX ED!!!!! :eek: ARE you serious!!!! (he he he) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 As silly as believing islam is a religion of peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Your mom went to college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 I wish I could be a homemaker. i'd make a lovely home. When you die, you can make a lovely home for worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Additionally, if you read Proverbs 31, you will find that the ideal woman can juggle both raising a family and contributing to the family income. Heretic! You and your Protestantized interpretations of scripture shall not stand against the theology of idiocy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 Heretic! You and your Protestantized interpretations of scripture shall not stand against the theology of idiocy! If you feel that strongly about it, put me in the "comfy chair"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anastasia13 Posted September 15, 2013 Share Posted September 15, 2013 If you feel that strongly about it, put me in the "comfy chair"... So you think you are strong because you can survive the soft cushions. Well, we shall see. Biggles! Put him in the Comfy Chair! Now -- you will stay in the Comfy Chair until lunch time, with only a cup of coffee at eleven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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