Paladin D Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 [url="http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/national_story.php?id=8101"]http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/national_story.php?id=8101[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azaelia Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 [le sigh] Cop out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey's_Girl Posted June 2, 2004 Share Posted June 2, 2004 Forgive my ignorance: it "figures" because of the person quoted in the story? Or because catholic.org isn't orthodox? MG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 i think "it figures" that people will continue to refuse to take a stand to defend Sacred Truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='Mickey's_Girl' date='Jun 2 2004, 07:12 PM'] Forgive my ignorance: it "figures" because of the person quoted in the story? Or because catholic.org isn't orthodox? MG [/quote] It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 2 2004, 08:10 PM'] It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine. [/quote] basically what i said only less sugar-coating. hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I'm going to play devil's advocate and say I agree with what was said in the article. The Mass is not about confrontation. If a politian wants to stain his soul with damnation, then so be it. The priest is holding the savior of the world in his hands... do you want to risk a fight at the altar or further profanation (is that a word?) of the Sacrament? Angry politians could do worse than consume the Eucharist. At least they're consuming it, and not saving it in a pocket or something. In Corinthians, Paul tells us to EXAMINE OURSELVES before partaking. However, all that said, when "big" politians like Kerry go to a Church, the priest knows beforehand, and would be able to avoid even having to deny Kerry the Eucharist by saying upfront point blank, "You are not permitted to receive the Eucharist in this Church. Don't like it? Go to Confession or go somewhere else!" That said, Kerry goes to a rather liberal parish by all standards and I'd be curious to investigate whether the consecration is actually valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mamalove Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Yeah, I kinda agree with the bishop. But, I think the big problem here is that these people [b]should[/b][b]not[/b] even be presenting themselves for Communion. They just know better!! It is no secret what the Church teaches on abortion and how serious a matter it is. If these politicians have any decency and respect, they would first have a conversion, but if that isn't gonna happen, respect the laws of the Church which they all claim to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oik Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 Here's the deal, confrontations at the Mass are inappropriate and presenting your self for communion while publicly in defience (sp) of church teaching is scandalous. So are priests to deny communion? That is up to them. As an individual and as a catholic I think I do well to never speak against priests, bishops, cardinals, arch bishops, the pope, etc. Either way, pray for saints and sinners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted June 3, 2004 Author Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Jun 2 2004, 08:26 PM'] i think "it figures" that people will continue to refuse to take a stand to defend Sacred Truth. [/quote] Thats what I met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='Oik' date='Jun 2 2004, 11:33 PM'] Here's the deal, confrontations at the Mass are inappropriate and presenting your self for communion while publicly in defience (sp) of church teaching is scandalous. So are priests to deny communion? That is up to them. As an individual and as a catholic I think I do well to never speak against priests, bishops, cardinals, arch bishops, the pope, etc. Either way, pray for saints and sinners. [/quote] Amen brother! I agree 100%. Two wrongs don't make a right. When high-profile people like Kerry promote abortion and then ask for the Eucharist, he offends the congregation and the priest by putting them in a bad spot. He also is causing scandal and weakening faith by causing a scene or distraction by going up for the Eucharist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 I think a "confrontation at the alter" would be extremely disruptive and ruin the sacredness of communion. If a politician knows that the Church doesn't want him to participate in communion because of his unrepentant sin, and still goes up for it, well that's a mark on his character and soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lumberjack Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 just skip em...what are they gonna do?!!?! get all rowdy? psh... or, give them a "see me after mass" note. punks...that'll show their bloodstained hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Jun 2 2004, 10:10 PM'] It figures because the Cardinal of Washington has no spine. [/quote] At least try to avoid blatant disrespect for a prince of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 3, 2004 Share Posted June 3, 2004 [quote name='the lumberjack' date='Jun 3 2004, 04:20 AM'] just skip em...what are they gonna do?!!?! get all rowdy? psh... or, give them a "see me after mass" note. punks...that'll show their bloodstained hands. [/quote] True, but. I would think a priest would only deny communion if the person had the explicit intent of desecrating the Eucharist. Else, I think it really is on that persons soul if they take communion. It really is between them and God. Their judgement, not mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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