Catholic Church's Claims Are Weak In Early History, Regarding Papa

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defining the bishop of rome's prerogatives in a potential reunification of the catholic church and orthodox?

sorry my ideas aren't as developed or organized as id have liked. these relate to some complex ideas.

what are some ways the pope's power could be future defined or limited, if it was in the interests of reunion of the east and the west?

As background, 1. here is a link of speculation of the pope's powers, and 2. an important summary from the councils:

What authority did the Bishop of Rome actually have in Orthodoxy?

https://www.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/1gb12o2/what_authority_did_the_bishop_of_rome_actually/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=post_title&embed_host_url=https://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php

and more about primacy honor, rank, and first among equals.
https://www.reddit.com/r/OrthodoxChristianity/comments/1dq0ut2/help_me_to_understand_what_exactly_the_first/

2.

"The early Church Councils produced several canons that addressed the authority of Rome and its leadership. Here are a few significant examples: 

Council of Nicaea (325 AD): While primarily focused on Christological issues, the council recognized the special status of the Bishop of Rome. Canon 6 affirmed the authority of the Roman Church and its bishop, suggesting that he had a preeminent role among the bishops.

Council of Constantinople (381 AD): This council reinforced the authority of the bishop of Rome, particularly in matters of doctrine and ecclesiastical governance. It emphasized the importance of the Roman Church as a center of Christian unity.

Council of Ephesus (431 AD): The canons from this council also acknowledged the importance of the Bishop of Rome, emphasizing respect for the Roman See.

Council of Chalcedon (451 AD): This council explicitly recognized the primacy of the Bishop of Rome. Canon 28 declared that the Church of Constantinople had equal privileges with Rome, but it still reinforced the latter's authority as the "head" of all churches.

Council of Sardica (343 AD): This council produced canons that reinforced the authority of the Bishop of Rome in judicial matters and the resolution of disputes among bishops.

These canons collectively contributed to the development of the doctrine of papal primacy, establishing Rome's authority in the early Church's governance and doctrinal issues."

as some background about the east v west historically, sacred tradition with insightful ideas on defining the bishop of rome's power and illustrating much of rome's probable over reach:
https://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/130867-catholic-church39s-claims-are-weak-in-early-history-regarding-papa/

Pius beliefs:
could we leave as 'pius beliefs' that are optional among east and west after reunification but not dogmatically defined:? some ideas about what could be 'pius beliefs':
-is the 'first among equals' really the official teaching historically, or just a pius idea by the orthodox? it looks like history and the councils somewhat defined the powers of rome, so to say that the pope was 'equal' isn't quite right either. plus we see the pope rejecting canon 28 from chalcedon and we see the pope acting as a supreme or primary many times in history, so there's room historically to say he's more than just an equal or if he is an equal then there's room to say he has special powers. that canon might be be binding given it was a major church that didn't agree ecumenically. i think the oriental orthodox had issues with that council too.
-infallibility is more of a Pius idea too, without much support in the early church. the church fathers didn't talk about inerrancy much except as rare pius talk about consistency of teaching that wasn't elaborated on or explained, which would have been if it was true. plus an inerrant church can't contradict itself, and it looks like it did on 'no salvation of non catholics', limbo of infants, and maybe the death penalty, all depending on how these are interpreted.
-'necessary among equals': a new idea i thought of as rome being the center of unity as was found in the early church writings and councils. 'necessary among equals'. being implied as a necessary ingredient unity, in the idea of a 'first among equals'. cyprian said the catholic church was the 'root and matrix of the church' and he asked, how can we say we're part of the church if we're not united with the bishop of rome (i think he said 'chair of peter' so i may be misinterpreting him)? likewise, iranaeous said that the church must "convene" with the bishop of rome (catholics quote him as saying they must agree with the bishop of rome but that looks mistranslated). maybe after unification, some could piusly believe rome is a necessary ingredient for unity, and others could view it as only an honorary title
-'a variation of papal supremacy': 'supremacy' could be further defined or limited based on sacred tradition. i do know iranaeous and augustine are sometimes cited as showing how little rome's supremacy or the need to be submitted to is ever talked about. they wrote a lot about church authority and unity and rarely talked about these things like they would have if catholic claims are true. even cyprian who i just stated thought union with rome is necessary, argued rome is not supreme or as he said cant be considered a bishop of bishops. it just seems the west are missing part of their other half without rome, dont you think? i dont know if the aforementioned points 1 and 2 above about the bishop of rome's role, could be dogmatically defined or just a pius belief, or maybe some of each. i know the council points have already been defined so dont need defined again other than maybe further developed.
-'a variation of papal primacy with special powers'. similar as last point

as i asked at first, what are some ways to further define or limit the power of the bishop of rome? what are some ways to compromise with the west and east? what are some ideas that could be limited to 'pius beliefs' that aren't dogmatically defined?

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cardinal ratzinger, later pope benedict, now emeritus pope below. text of ratzinger proposal, reunification of east and west, some further ideas not mentioned in this thread, ideas for unity

4.22.2008 "The Ratzinger Proposal"– Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Principles of Catholic Theology: Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology (San Francisco, CA: Ignatius Press, 1987), pp. 198-199

https://www.phatmass.com/phorum/topic/130867-catholic-church39s-claims-are-weak-in-early-history-regarding-papa/?do=findComment&comment=2685984

 

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