Muslim Brotherhood Sets St. George Church Ablaze

[Apotheoun]

Egypt’s Christians: Prime Targets for Muslim Brotherhood Violence and U.S. Indifference

 

 

[Apotheoun]

The following report by the Blaze was completed two months before the ousting of the Islamist Morsi regime:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcPK0rzLW78

[beatitude]

Actually, it is the Muslim Brotherhood (and other Muslim groups) that are killing Coptic Christians and attacking and burning down their Churches, and they are doing that because the Coptic Orthodox Church came out publicly in favor of the removal of Morsi. The Coptic Pope has received death threats because of his refusal to support Morsi's return and because of his (i.e., Pope Tawadros II's) rejection of the Sharia based constitution that was created by the Muslim Brotherhood Islamic government that was toppled by public protests a few months ago, protests that forced the military to act in removing Morsi and his cohorts from office in the first place.

 

May God protect His people in Egypt from the attacks of the infidels.

 

I live right next door to all this, I know dozens of people in Egypt (most of them not MB-affiliated at all), and I have a pretty strong academic background in the history and politics of the region. It's more complicated that what you are writing.

 

The murderousness of the military, however, is pretty simple to see. Sisi is set on being another dictator. You are very obviously pro-coup. I do not find it in myself to support such mass butchery of unarmed civilians for any reason and I am not going to try and make it look palatable through righteous religious language, especially not while I wait to hear that all my friends are OK.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

Lol the ends always justify the means.

[Apotheoun]

I live right next door to all this, I know dozens of people in Egypt (most of them not MB-affiliated at all), and I have a pretty strong academic background in the history and politics of the region. It's more complicated that what you are writing.

 

The murderousness of the military, however, is pretty simple to see. Sisi is set on being another dictator. You are very obviously pro-coup. I do not find it in myself to support such mass butchery of unarmed civilians for any reason and I am not going to try and make it look palatable through righteous religious language, especially not while I wait to hear that all my friends are OK.

I know a lot of Coptic Christians, I happen to live in Concord, where Fr. Anthony works to help people escape the oppression brought on by the Muslim Brotherhood, and you sound like a person out of your depth. Have you actually talked to a woman who has been spat on and attacked? I have. I think it is clear that the Muslim Brotherhood needs to be stopped, and I support any and all efforts to protect the minorities in Egypt from the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical Islamists. 

[Apotheoun]

Lol the ends always justify the means.

Protecting the innocent is the only goal I have, and the Muslim Brotherhood is about as innocent at the Nazi Party in 1920s and 30s Germany. The Coptic Christians have been persecuted in Egypt for decades now, but the fact that that persecution has intensified over the past year so that thousands of Copts are trying to leave the country speaks volumes.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

I agree with you. Murdering 200 people is totally worth securing another government that might not work. 

[Apotheoun]

I agree with you. Murdering 200 people is totally worth securing another government that might not work. 

And I suppose you would have been upset when the Bavarian government persecuted the Nazis in 1923. If only the Nazi movement had been stopped in the 20s perhaps 6 million Jews and 12 million other innocent people would not have died in concentration camps.

[Apotheoun]

The Muslim Brotherhood is not a peaceful movement. They are - as we speak - attacking Churches and killing Christians and anyone else that disagrees with them. Is the Egyptian military a savior? No, but my Coptic friends would rather have the military - as imperfect as it is - rule Egypt instead of the Muslim Brotherhood. Heck, many of them would prefer to have Mubarak back.

[CatholicsAreKewl]

And I suppose you would have been upset when the Bavarian government persecuted the Nazis in 1923. If only the Nazi movement had been stopped in the 20s perhaps 6 million Jews and 12 million other innocent people would not have died in concentration camps.

 

Why are you arguing? I agree with you. The ends always justify the means. We can only stop evil with more evil.

Edited August 15, 2013 by CatholicsAreKewl

[Apotheoun]

Why are you arguing? I agree with you. The ends always justify the means. We can only stop evil with evil.

To stop a murder, even with the use of lethal force, is not itself evil. Defending the innocent from an unjust aggressor is never evil, nor is self-defense evil. The Muslim Brotherhood is tramping on the rights of Coptic Christians daily, and someone must stop them.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Apotheoun

[arfink]

I don't see the army stopping murders. I see an army that is too lazy to actually find the men responsible and taking it out on a crowd of supporters instead. This wasn't an act of defense or justice, it was an act of revenge upon people who were not responsible for these crimes.

[Apotheoun]

I don't see the army stopping murders. I see an army that is too lazy to actually find the men responsible and taking it out on a crowd of supporters instead. This wasn't an act of defense or justice, it was an act of revenge upon people who were not responsible for these crimes.

I think the military in Egypt, as flawed as it is, is simply trying to prevent the return of Morsi, and I believe that that is a good. The Coptic Church supported, and continues to support, Morsi's ouster, and I am sure that it (i.e., the Coptic Church) would like for peace to exist throughout Egypt, but the Muslim Brotherhood has a different idea. It is not the Coptic Church or her members that are out shooting priests in the face, and killing and raping little girls, and burning down Churches. That is what the members of the Muslim Brotherhood are doing, and they are doing it with the support of the Ulema. I am saddened by the fact that the Egyptian military has had to use force, and I wish that the Muslim Brotherhood would voluntarily withdraw from its aggressive attacks upon Coptic Christians and other minorities in Egypt, but for some reason they have not decided to do that yet. Perhaps they will reevaluate the situation soon, and change course. That is my hope.

Edited August 15, 2013 by Apotheoun

[arfink]

I hope they do too, because otherwise the army seems bent on killing every one of them, even their women and children. How nice.

[Apotheoun]

I hope they do too, because otherwise the army seems bent on killing every one of them, even their women and children. How nice.

I am sure that some innocent Nazis were killed in the 1923 suppression of their movement. It is a sad reality. I just wish the suppression of the Nazis had been more successful, perhaps millions of people would have been saved if Hitler had not been released from jail so soon. 

 

It is sad to say, but I think that America - and the rest of the world - will ultimately stand by and do nothing as millions of Christians are killed. I doubt that there will be a Christian minority in Egypt in a generation. Statistically speaking the whole of the Middle East is being emptied of Christians. It is sad to see that not only secularists in America, but even Catholics in America, could care less about the suffering of Christians in that part of the world.