Pope Francis' Comments On Gay Priests

[Era Might]

Well, if a man who suffers from the homosexual condition is ordained it follows logically that he is a priest. You cannot be "ordained" and not be a priest after the laying on of hands and prayer. And all men are brothers. So I do not see a man afflicted with the homosexual condition as my brother because he is afflicted with that disorder; instead, I see him as my brother because we share a common human nature, and by the incarnation we are both called to union with God by living our lives according to the natural and supernatural virtues.

 

He is a brother priest with the Pope, not with you.

[CatherineM]

There was a quote from a movie where Jack Lemon played a priest who was mentoring a seminarian. Someone said what difference does it make if you give up women or men to become a priest.

If they are truly willing to be celibate, I don't have a problem. If they are entering the priesthood as a way to hide from their true selves, as a way to have authority and access to prey, I have a big problem.

[Apotheoun]

Yes, I was responding to your post which was responding to my post with nothing that had to do with my post. You don't have to read my mind, just my post.

Then I repeat, where did I speak about seeking out men with this disorder among the ordained. Perhaps you should read what I actually say and not what you merely think I say.

[Era Might]

Then I repeat, where did I speak about seeking out men with this disorder among the ordained. Perhaps you should read what I actually say and not what you merely think I say.

 

You didn't, I did. If you don't want me to say something that you didn't address, then stop addressing things that I didn't say.

[Apotheoun]

There was a quote from a movie where Jack Lemon played a priest who was mentoring a seminarian. Someone said what difference does it make if you give up women or men to become a priest.

If they are truly willing to be celibate, I don't have a problem. If they are entering the priesthood as a way to hide from their true selves, as a way to have authority and access to prey, I have a big problem.

That was a terrible movie. And there is a difference between giving up a good (i.e., the possibility of a life with a wife and children) and giving up a disordered relationship (i.e., practicing sodomy).

[Era Might]

There was a quote from a movie where Jack Lemon played a priest who was mentoring a seminarian. Someone said what difference does it make if you give up women or men to become a priest.

If they are truly willing to be celibate, I don't have a problem. If they are entering the priesthood as a way to hide from their true selves, as a way to have authority and access to prey, I have a big problem.

 

Yeah, that's the Pope's point as I see it. They're Christians, they're priests. Treat them as you would any other priest...if a priest has struggles, then help him. Reminds me of the whiskey priest in "The Power and the Glory"...priests aren't supermen, they're human beings.

[Apotheoun]

You didn't, I did. If you don't want me to say something that you didn't address, then stop addressing things that I didn't say.

I see. Then there was no real need to quote my original post, and your comment was just a remark thrown out to state your position. 

[Era Might]

I see. Then there was no real need to quote my original post, and your comment was just a remark thrown out to state your position. 

 

I quoted your post because you quoted mine and responded with something that had nothing to do with what I said.

[Apotheoun]

I quoted your post because you quoted mine and responded with something that had nothing to do with what I said.

And I quoted your post because you seemed to be implying that the Traditional Catholic viewpoint calls for a witch-hunt, which is utter nonsense. I also pointed out that the Vatican document on seminarians did say that men with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained, while simultaneously reminding people that same-sex attraction is an objective disorder.

 

The final part of what you said also appeared rather unnecessary, since the laity should always help their pastors to be good pastors.

[Era Might]

And I quoted your post because you seemed to be implying that the Traditional Catholic viewpoint calls for a witch-hunt, which is utter nonsense. I also pointed out that the Vatican document on seminarians did say that men with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained, while simultaneously reminding people that same-sex attraction is an objective disorder.

 

The final part of what you said also appeared rather unnecessary, since the laity should always help their pastors to be good pastors.

 

There is no "Traditional Catholic viewpoint" that priests with homosexual attractions must be hunted down and thrown out of the priesthood.

[Apotheoun]

There is no "Traditional Catholic viewpoint" that priests with homosexual attractions must be hunted down and thrown out of the priesthood.

On that we agree. Now if only you had said that from the beginning. 

[Era Might]

On that we agree. Now if only you had said that from the beginning. 

 

I did say that from the beginning:

 

"What he said is common sense...what is he going to do, go on a witchhunt for priests who have homosexual attractions? Pope Benedict would not have done that either. They're priests, help them be good priests, like any other priest."

 

But you felt the need make a point about seminarians, suggesting that I said anything about seminarians.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Era Might

[Apotheoun]

I did say that from the beginning:

 

"What he said is common sense...what is he going to do, go on a witchhunt for priests who have homosexual attractions? Pope Benedict would not have done that either. They're priests, help them be good priests, like any other priest."

 

But you felt the need make a point about seminarians, suggesting that I said anything about seminarians.

I read your post after re-reading the referenced Vatican document which does say that men with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained. That colored my take on what you said, which seemed to imply that it was somehow a witch-hunt. If that was not your intention you have my apologies. But you can't blame me for reading you that way, seeing that you tend to be wishy washy on Catholic moral doctrine.

[Era Might]

I read your post after re-reading the referenced Vatican document which does say that men with deep-seated homosexual tendencies should not be ordained. That colored my take on what you said, which seemed to imply that it was somehow a witch-hunt. If that was not your intention you have my apologies. But you can't blame me for reading you that way, seeing that you tend to be wishy washy on Catholic moral doctrine.

 

You don't know me so shut the eff up and mind your business about what I supposedly believe about Catholic moral doctrine and get a life and stop parading around how supposedly smart and pure you are.

Edited July 29, 2013 by Era Might

[Apotheoun]

You don't know me so shut the eff up and mind your business about what I supposedly believe about Catholic moral doctrine and get a life and stop parading around how supposedly smart and pure you are.

I'm sorry. I didn't know that you supported the Church's doctrine on this particular issue, that is, that homosexual acts are always gravely immoral and that the homosexual condition, although it is not a sin, is an objective disorder that involves a more or less strong tendency oriented toward an intrinsic moral evil. My apologies.