Hurrah For Prince George!

[AnneLine]

Anselm, I don't know what I was thinking.   He'd be up to VII when the time comes (God Willing), won't he....

 

And of course, he could take a totally different name or one of his other names, I guess.

 

I do like that he was born at the start of the World Youth Day.... Maybe he'll take "Jorge" and REALLY throw everyone for a loop!

 

But, hopefully we've got the thread back on its tracks.

 

We pray every good thing he needs to grow in wisdom, age and grace. 

[Anselm]

Don't worry Anne, I know American knowledge of British history ends with George III ;)

 

He may actually be George VIII as I have heard in the past that the Prince of Wales may rule as George VII instead of Charles III because of the unpopularity of Charles I. I don't think that that would be necessary though as Charles II was very popular.

 

I was hoping for James (which did seem to be a popular choice in the newspapers) as James II was the last Catholic monarch we had! Still, that's one of the reasons why James wasn't chosen, as it was only this year that an Act of Parliament was passed to make it legal for the monarch to even marry a Catholic. I knew one of the royal family at university and he was removed from the line of succession when he became a Catholic with his sister.

[KnightofChrist]

Don't worry Anne, I know American knowledge of British history ends with George III ;)

Oh bother. !@@!

[Era Might]

Actually, it's long-standing Catholic moral teaching that we are not bound to obey laws that are inherently unjust or immoral.

 

Of course. That doesn't mean the people issuing the laws aren't the lawful rulers. You don't need to be a Catholic to figure out you have to follow your conscience. Apotheoun lives in a scholastic fantasy world...but he's cute when he does it so it's okay, plus he couches it in references to Byzantinism, though he himself has never quite shaken his Romanism. And we keep him around for the pretty videos of Russian liturgies.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Era Might

[KnightofChrist]

Of course. That doesn't mean the people issuing the laws aren't the lawful rulers. You don't need to be a Catholic to figure out you have to follow your conscience. Apotheoun lives in a scholastic fantasy world...but he's cute when he does it so it's okay, plus he couches it in references to Byzantinism, though he himself has never quite shaken his Romanism. And we keep him around for the pretty videos of Russian liturgies.

Strange though, any other time you'd be speaking against such institutions. Hahaha! Frankly I thought you would have sided more with Apo's point of view.

True a lawful ruler can issue immoral laws, and that not necessarily make the ruler's claim to rule lawful. But at some point a once lawful ruler can loose his or her lawful claim to rule by issuing inherently unjust or immoral laws. Also true you don't need to be Catholic to follow natural law, but it helps. Apo isn't a scholastic, but he is often right and very wise. Edited July 25, 2013 by KnightofChrist

[Era Might]

Strange though, any other time you'd be speaking against such institutions. Hahaha! Frankly I thought you would have sided more with Apo's point of view.

 

I'm a conservative. I believe in sticking with what works for people in their situation. I also believe in people making their own decisions based on their own past and their own future. I don't believe the universe is a game of thrones between heretics and non-heretics. We're just a bunch of different people trying to make the best of the situation we have.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Era Might

[KnightofChrist]

I'm a conservative. I believe in sticking with what works for people in their situation. I also believe in people making their own decisions based on their own past and their own future. I don't believe the universe is a game of thrones between heretics and non-heretics. We're just a bunch of different people trying to make the best of the situation we have.

Still I find it odd. Maybe if the British Monarchy was still a Catholic institution things would be a different? I do recall our discussion about the monarchy of the Pope, and how you spoke against it. Now you don't seem to take a similar stance against the British monarchy even though it is also head of a church.

[Era Might]

Still I find it odd. Maybe if the British Monarchy was still a Catholic institution things would be a different? I do recall our discussion about the monarchy of the Pope, and how you spoke against it. Now you don't seem to take a similar stance against the British monarchy even though it is also head of a church.

 

The Pope is another matter. I hold matters of religion to a different standard than secular matters, because God is not mocked.

 

But anyway, I am not British, so these matters don't have much relevance to my life either way. But I enjoy Shakespeare.

[Anselm]

Britain has done more than just Shakespeare!

[Era Might]

Britain has done more than just Shakespeare!

 

Britain will never produce anything greater than Shakespeare. England is Shakespeare and Shakespeare is England.

 

Methinks I am a prophet new inspired

And thus expiring do foretell of him:

His rash fierce blaze of riot cannot last,

For violent fires soon burn out themselves;

Small showers last long, but sudden storms are short;

He tires betimes that spurs too fast betimes;

With eager feeding food doth choke the feeder:

Light vanity, insatiate cormorant,

Consuming means, soon preys upon itself.

This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle,

This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,

This other Eden, demi-paradise,

This fortress built by Nature for herself

Against infection and the hand of war,

This happy breed of men, this little world,

This precious stone set in the silver sea,

Which serves it in the office of a wall,

Or as a moat defensive to a house,

Against the envy of less happier lands,

This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England,

This nurse, this teeming womb of royal kings,

Fear'd by their breed and famous by their birth,

Renowned for their deeds as far from home,

For Christian service and true chivalry,

As is the sepulchre in stubborn Jewry,

Of the world's ransom, blessed Mary's Son,

This land of such dear souls, this dear dear land,

Dear for her reputation through the world,

Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,

Like to a tenement or pelting farm:

England, bound in with the triumphant sea

Whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege

Of watery Neptune, is now bound in with shame,

With inky blots and rotten parchment bonds:

That England, that was wont to conquer others,

Hath made a shameful conquest of itself.

Ah, would the scandal vanish with my life,

How happy then were my ensuing death!

[KnightofChrist]

The Pope is another matter. I hold matters of religion to a different standard than secular matters, because God is not mocked.

It being another matter would be true, if the King or Queen of England was not also head of the Church of England. The British Monarchy is a marriage of Church and State.

[Era Might]

It being another matter would be true, if the King or Queen of England was not also head of the Church of England. The British Monarchy is a marriage of Church and State.

 

Yes, that's how the world used to operate, before the Americans introduced their churchless, kingless state.

Edited July 25, 2013 by Era Might

[Anselm]

Yes, well don't forget reflecting telescopes, toothbrushes, the steam engine, the tin can, the fire extinguisher, the electric motor, cement, railways, lawnmowers, photography, telegraphy, chocolate bars, hypodermic syringes, synthetic dyes, torpedos, telephones, light-bulbs, steam turbines, pneumatic tyres, vacuum cleaners, disc brakes, stainless steel, military tanks, television, jet engines, hovercraft, carbon fibre and, of course, the Internet.

 

...to name just a few ;)

[Era Might]

Yes, well don't forget reflecting telescopes, toothbrushes, the steam engine, the tin can, the fire extinguisher, the electric motor, cement, railways, lawnmowers, photography, telegraphy, chocolate bars, hypodermic syringes, synthetic dyes, torpedos, telephones, light-bulbs, steam turbines, pneumatic tyres, vacuum cleaners, disc brakes, stainless steel, military tanks, television, jet engines, hovercraft, carbon fibre and, of course, the Internet.

 

...to name just a few ;)

 

Eh, Shakespeare tops all of them. Well, I'll give you Monty Python too...good stuff.

[KnightofChrist]

Yes, that's how the world used to operate, before the Americans introduced their churchless, kingless state.

Yes, that's a dodge or diversion of your inconsistency.