The Lord Of The Rings.

[PhuturePriest]

I have never accused him nihil, i said it could be possible. And even if he isn't, the all seeing eye is God and not evil, and he is very wrong about that and it could have caused terrible consequences to some Christians faith. I see you have gotten coye though with the picture, perhaps i have hit a nerve with the all seeing eye bit ? And the good lord knows, that there have possibly been things i have done present and past that have had drastic consequences for others, but on the other side of the coin great blessing also. The tounge is the most evil of all members and can be used to bless or curse, sometimes unwittingly for either. This could all just be an honest mistake and nothing to do with free masonry. And again i do truely shy away from fantasy and mythology, the old christians wouldn't go near it.

The all-seeing Eye is Sauron, who is far from representing God in the books, since the entire plot of the book is destroying Sauron and all that is evil.

[PhuturePriest]

You know it is probably sinful to accuse someone of being a Freemason with neither evidence nor sufficient reason, yes?

Fun fact: If you type "Aragorn" on my iPod, the auto-correct changes it to "Statism".

[Nihil Obstat]

I have never accused him nihil, i said it could be possible. And even if he isn't, the all seeing eye is God and not evil, and he is very wrong about that and it could have caused terrible consequences to some Christians faith. I see you have gotten coye though with the picture, perhaps i have hit a nerve with the all seeing eye bit ? And the good lord knows, that there have possibly been things i have done present and past that have had drastic consequences for others, but on the other side of the coin great blessing also. The tounge is the most evil of all members and can be used to bless or curse, sometimes unwittingly for either. This could all just be an honest mistake and nothing to do with free masonry. And again i do truely shy away from fantasy and mythology, the old christians wouldn't go near it.

The Eye of Providence is a Masonic symbol much more popularly in recent history than any other group. Interesting how things are rather different in reality, than the way in which you have decided the world works.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I heard that too nihil that the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol. That all God does is watches and saving the world is soley in the hands of man. But truely the all seeing eye(not the masonic version) is God and he does intervene, people may say well what about rape if God see's that surely he must stop it, well rape is the consequence of sin, but that's unfair are you saying the women deserves that? No i'm not saying a women deserves that but the rapist is usually on a downward spiral of sin after sin. But anyhow so the all seeing eye is god, not talking about the masonic eye of providence. You know also supposedly masons when you get high up they would have you believe Jesus is satan, and this is the a big part of why catholicism is not compatible with free masonry and it has been called the great enemy of the church, they have the concept of God and the devil they just think Jesus is the devil, and also it's syncrotism uniting all faiths and myths and just about anything and everything saying that God is the God of all these things, which at lesser levels in the masonic order all believe. Pull me up if i'm wrong on any of this. But i'm glad your all discussing this with me, so J.R. Tolkein may not have been a mason and the all seeing eye is actually the masonic eye (which is still dangerous to someone whom doesn't have knowledge of the concepts of the book.) and, and the wizards may be angels, and the fairies may be good earth spirits. This is good your all discussing with me and we are making ground. Thankyou. Alleluia.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

 

You know it is probably sinful to accuse someone of being a Freemason with neither evidence nor sufficient reason, yes?

 

 

That would be bearing false witness against ones neighbour. I have never stated he is actually a free mason 100% without sufficient evidence. I stated my reasons why it may be possible, and you have all given me reasons why i may be wrong and your point of view correct. High school debate all over again, this is good. Debate, discussion whatever. I feel more enlightened as to what the characters in lord of the rings represent now, thankyou.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I still think though in general t.v. and movie entertainment is sinister and probably the main reason for the break up of families in society. Though i am now of a greater understanding of The Lord of the Rings but i still wouldn't be calling angels wizards because there two totally different concepts, my understanding of what a wizard or warlock is that they are a male witch a shaman, in the real world, again my understanding of this word may be wrong. Perhaps he could have called them shaptandalus or something random like that instead of a pre ordained concept that could deceive real practitioners of magic that they are in some way doing good, which again the free masons would say magical practice is under the authority of God and not so bad. And my idea of magic comes from a priest who told me at the worst a practitioner of magic is at the least creating a false God and at the worst asking demons to do there bidding.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye

[PhuturePriest]

I heard that too nihil that the all seeing eye is a masonic symbol. That all God does is watches and saving the world is soley in the hands of man. But truely the all seeing eye(not the masonic version) is God and he does intervene, people may say well what about rape if God see's that surely he must stop it, well rape is the consequence of sin, but that's unfair are you saying the women deserves that? No i'm not saying a women deserves that but the rapist is usually on a downward spiral of sin after sin. But anyhow so the all seeing eye is god, not talking about the masonic eye of providence. You know also supposedly masons when you get high up they would have you believe Jesus is satan, and this is the a big part of why catholicism is not compatible with free masonry and it has been called the great enemy of the church, they have the concept of God and the devil they just think Jesus is the devil, and also it's syncrotism uniting all faiths and myths and just about anything and everything saying that God is the God of all these things, which at lesser levels in the masonic order all believe. Pull me up if i'm wrong on any of this. But i'm glad your all discussing this with me, so J.R. Tolkein may not have been a mason and the all seeing eye is actually the masonic eye (which is still dangerous to someone whom doesn't have knowledge of the concepts of the book.) and, and the wizards may be angels, and the fairies may be good earth spirits. This is good your all discussing with me and we are making ground. Thankyou. Alleluia.

This is all jolly and good. But again: The Eye of Sauron is NOT a metaphor for God! Aragorn is a Jesus-like figure. Frodo is a Saint-like figure. The Elves are Angel-like creatures. But never does Tolkien say or imply that the Eye of Sauron is a metaphor for God. Stop insinuating that he did.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

But anyhow, entertainment is to readily accessible in the modern world including music, 24 hours a day 7 days a week, almost omniscient, which terrifies me not in the sense that i'm scared God is going to loose but in the sense of minds,hearts and souls that are consumed by it to whatever degree. Entertainment has never been so accessible,  throughout history even for christians like a random tune that had nothing to do with much, people didn't do these things daily. Although lets say listening to something like akalyte for one hour a day is not harmful to a christian, and it isn't because it fortifies a christians faith, it's faith based music, even if your going through a bad patch and listening to christian music all day every day it is far more beneficial for a christian then listening to the top 40 all day everyday or watching fantasy t.v shows and movies.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

This is all jolly and good. But again: The Eye of Sauron is NOT a metaphor for God! Aragorn is a Jesus-like figure. Frodo is a Saint-like figure. The Elves are Angel-like creatures. But never does Tolkien say or imply that the Eye of Sauron is a metaphor for God. Stop insinuating that he did.

 

 

:)

[the171]

I don't think you understand symbolism, archetypes, or allusions. I ask this sincerely: did you attend high school? I'm not being rude. In high school English these things are usually taught and it seems like you don't understand basic literary devices.

[Jesus_lol]

:shock: Tolkien would slap you for using the a-word.

 

 

"Almost" ?

[Nihil Obstat]

"Almost" ?

Arsebucket fidget-slap.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

I don't think you understand symbolism, archetypes, or allusions. I ask this sincerely: did you attend high school? I'm not being rude. In high school English these things are usually taught and it seems like you don't understand basic literary devices.

 

 

The catholic school i went to don't teach about wizards, fairies and gnomes at all. Although i think a dragon/the beast may have been mentioned once, or twice. Or i learnt that latter when i read the holy scriptures for myself.

Edited September 21, 2013 by Tab'le Du'Bah-Rye