Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Greetings in the name of Jesus brethren, sympathizers and others. So a Muslim man once said to me that Jews are the wizards of God. If this is true than is that where the thought pattern for Lord of the rings was developed from? Unsure if i'm correct but i was lead to believe the kabalah is Jewish magic? And if all this be true than are wizards actually good and believe in the one true God, and if not than why the bloomin heck do some Catholics propagate these films as being from a Catholic genius? Anyhow any information on my queries will help me understand. God is Good. Onward Christian souls. Jesus is Lord. St Teresa Benedicta of the cross, pray for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 21, 2013 Author Share Posted July 21, 2013 Actually the muslim man was from yahoo chat , so unsure how credible that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Greetings Brother in the One Way, I have it heard it told in days past that there were secondary ones, but when the first came and then the Wizards had a war, and a Rabbi told me once that in the mountains of Israel there is foliage with evidence of this, but I have not confirmed this yet. Have you? Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon77 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Do not talk if you do not confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 No really. I would like to know where this J.R. Tolkein got his ideas for the characters for 'Lord of the rings.' If anyone actually knows ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab'le De'Bah-Rye Posted July 24, 2013 Author Share Posted July 24, 2013 Greetings Brother in the One Way, I have it heard it told in days past that there were secondary ones, but when the first came and then the Wizards had a war, and a Rabbi told me once that in the mountains of Israel there is foliage with evidence of this, but I have not confirmed this yet. Have you? Blessings So it is possible there where once Jewish wizards that worshiped the one true God ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 No really. I would like to know where this J.R. Tolkein got his ideas for the characters for 'Lord of the rings.' If anyone actually knows ? Yes. They're meant to be Catholic allegories. For example, the Valar represent the angels. He liked to tell stories for his kids, and so he made up stories. He also liked to make up languages, so he made up worlds to speak those languages. Almost all of today's traditional "fantasy" elements originated with Tolkien's works. Dwarves and Elves and Wizards and Men and Dragons all together in one epic, with a slightly medieval feel? Yeah, that's originally Tolkien. He's the father of modern High Fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spem in alium Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 :hehe2: ...I'd totally go see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon77 Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 (edited) Do not talk if you do not confirm. BTW, I watch related clips again, & find J.R. Tolkein.. http://immigrationtoaustralia.biz Edited September 17, 2013 by Brendon77 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spem in alium Posted September 17, 2013 Share Posted September 17, 2013 http://immigrationtoaustralia.biz This is quite amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregorMendel Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 While I cant speak to the influences of Judaism on Tolkien, LOTR apparently was intentionally infused with decidedly Christian Philosophical principles (The fall of man and their salvation (the entire plot), mercy and pity (Frodo and Gollum), free will and corruption (The Ring's power), and self-sacrifice for one's fellowship and world). What I find more interesting it that Tolkien incorporated these principles in a landscape populated by the amalgamation of proto-european history and germanic and norse myth, attempting to establish a functioning political and social mirror of Western Europe and the human condition, from which was synthesized the vast cultural history of Middle Earth. Probably the only work analogous to Tolkien's is arguably his biggest influence: Wagner's 'Ring Cycle' or Der Ring des Nibelungen, his masterpiece of 4 operas. In describing the Ring Cycle, Jad Abumrad accurately sums up LOTR as well: "What is the Ring (Cycle)? If I had to describe it in one sentence, it would go something like this: The Ring is a german romantic view of norse and tutonic myth, influenced by greek tragedy and a buddhist sense of destiny, told with a political deconstruction of contemporary society, a psychological study of motivation and action, and a blueprint for a new approach to music and theatre." - RadioLab, "The Ring and I" I highy suggest that anyone interested look up that RadioLab episode (and quickly become hooked on that show!), it goes into tremendous detail about the Ring Cycle and draws suprising connections and highlights the influences upon LOTR (ie. The use of a ring to symbolize the conduct of men, the changing social history, and the disruptive force of power against the will of nature, taking 4 operas/ +1000 pages to resolve) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Yes. They're meant to be Catholic allegories. For example, the Valar represent the angels. He liked to tell stories for his kids, and so he made up stories. He also liked to make up languages, so he made up worlds to speak those languages. Almost all of today's traditional "fantasy" elements originated with Tolkien's works. Dwarves and Elves and Wizards and Men and Dragons all together in one epic, with a slightly medieval feel? Yeah, that's originally Tolkien. He's the father of modern High Fantasy. :shock: Tolkien would slap you for using the a-word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhuturePriest Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 In all charity, this is a fruitless conversation, Tab. Every time we talk about fantasy novels with you, you claim they are evil because of magic, we give proof by respected Catholic theologians that they are not and why, you say "Nuh uh." and we repeat the process. Why bother making these threads if you aren't open-minded in the slightest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisa Marie Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 :shock: Tolkien would slap you for using the a-word. Haha, well, he shouldn't have used them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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